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In reply to the discussion: NAFTA Was Bill Clintons Biggest Historic Blunder. Festering Resentment Sunk Hillary In The End. [View all]still_one
(92,409 posts)55. no, what sunk Hillary was Comey releasing the letter to the republicans in Congress 11 days before
the election, and the media reporting that the email investigation had been reopened. That was a LIE. Hillary was leading by 4-5 points until that happened, and immediately lost the lead.
It also was pushed along by enough self-identified progressives believed the false equivalency bullshit, and refused to vote for the Democratic nominee.
Well that worked out real well. We got a RW Gorsuch on the SC, and every Democrat running for Senate in those critical swing states lost to the incumbent, establishment, republican
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NAFTA Was Bill Clintons Biggest Historic Blunder. Festering Resentment Sunk Hillary In The End. [View all]
TheMastersNemesis
Jan 2018
OP
NAFTA was started and steered toward enactment by George H.W. Bush for the most part.
no_hypocrisy
Jan 2018
#3
That doesnt matter to people who lost their jobs when the factories closed
YessirAtsaFact
Jan 2018
#26
And what's the point of the OP? It's old news, very old. We've got an orange maniac to deal with.
brush
Jan 2018
#56
Not a fan of rewriting history- the only economic issue Trump won on was fear of immigrants-
bettyellen
Jan 2018
#81
Trump lost on economic issues, including among union voters. He won because the FBI deliberately
StevieM
Jan 2018
#92
That poll was taken before the election and before HRC destroyed Trump in 3 debates.
StevieM
Jan 2018
#118
Fine, if you have better information than just your opinion then post it.
former9thward
Jan 2018
#123
False narratives arent helpful when determining where the party goes from here. Were not going to
bettyellen
Jan 2018
#143
Why are we still discussing your false narrative about trade being the huge issue? You think if you
bettyellen
Jan 2018
#146
You referred to the OP as truth and reconciliation and now you walk it back? Lotta integrity
bettyellen
Jan 2018
#149
Voters who cited economics as #1 went for HRC. Immigration and the wall put him over w voters.
bettyellen
Jan 2018
#82
Disgruntled far lefties pushed the NAFTA meme more than the GOP did- they still are trying to claim
bettyellen
Jan 2018
#88
Clinton "loss" because of vote suppression, Putin, Assange, Comey, broken voting machines...
brush
Jan 2018
#90
Oh please. This is a common repug trick. Don't give us that "Why wasn't this done in 2016?"
brush
Jan 2018
#96
No, it was russia and racism. They had no problem voting for free trade GOP over Feingold
JI7
Jan 2018
#6
+1, Fiengold loss has a couple of tells in it that stuff went REALLY wrong in 16 1. the flip in ...
uponit7771
Jan 2018
#21
Green alone would create millions of new jobs if we had a non traitor, non criminal in the WH
Eliot Rosewater
Jan 2018
#52
You're on the right track. Green energy, infrastructure and tech with job training for all
brush
Jan 2018
#107
Yeah, that's what we were told as people with great paying jobs/skills were being let go. We would
RKP5637
Jan 2018
#104
Very intelligent post. Employers' taxes should pay for training and educating our
Sophia4
Jan 2018
#79
You are leaving out the most important element of their toxic brew - slavish devotion to patriarchy.
Moostache
Jan 2018
#30
no, they are just a bunch of racist fucking bigots. Native Americans have it worse and they aren't
JI7
Jan 2018
#139
Well, let's get rid of the European Common Market, or the EU, while we're at it...
Rollo
Jan 2018
#29
You Simply Do Not Get It. There WAS NO Net Gain. Worked At DOL For 24 Years. Saw The Carnage Daily.
TheMastersNemesis
Jan 2018
#70
Yes, many of us saw first hand the factory closures and heard people telling how they had to
OhioBlue
Jan 2018
#163
I disagreed with NAFTA. But you do understand that many Democrats are/were for freetrade
Demsrule86
Jan 2018
#40
Democrats At The Time Were Against NAFTA As It Was Negotiated. Bush Admin Had Negotiated It.
TheMastersNemesis
Jan 2018
#48
Agree. I knew Trump was resonating with rust-belt voters just like Michael More did
Quixote1818
Jan 2018
#41
This sounds like it was copied from JPR. Automation/technology are responsible for most lost jobs.
LonePirate
Jan 2018
#54
Add the fact it is Clinton bashing on the day Trumpy and his co-conspirators in the GOP
FSogol
Jan 2018
#78
no, what sunk Hillary was Comey releasing the letter to the republicans in Congress 11 days before
still_one
Jan 2018
#55
Anytime Labor Issues Come Up Regarding Trade I Hear Well Clinton Passed NAFTA.
TheMastersNemesis
Jan 2018
#62
I recall it as a big disappointment when Clinton said "I support this NAFTA"
The_Casual_Observer
Jan 2018
#65
Our Trade Policy Has Been A Disaster & Kept Wages From Rising Like They Should. Here's Why.
TheMastersNemesis
Jan 2018
#71
I think the Telecommunications Act of 1996 that he signed played a bigger role.
Snotcicles
Jan 2018
#86
One of many factors each of which could be held responsible for the situation we are in
randr
Jan 2018
#87
Except Hillary WON by 3 million more votes than Trump. It took the combined efforts of treason....
Hekate
Jan 2018
#119
Well She Probably Actually Won Those Stolen States. The Vote Was Close Enough To Steal It.
TheMastersNemesis
Jan 2018
#120