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Qutzupalotl

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18. I disagree. Framing does not mean lying.
Thu Jan 25, 2018, 01:34 PM
Jan 2018

While it is true the Republicans excel at messaging and framing and do it through lies and half-truths, that does not mean the methods are suspect.

Framing is defining an issue in favorable terms to your side. To be effective, framing and messaging should rely on facts — otherwise they will be dismissed or dismantled. Although Republicans are able to make lies spread using these methods successfully, this is largely due to media ownership, repetition, and willingness of many in media to lie for a cause. Democrats self-police their messages far more than Republicans, so they cannot use deception for long. Since we are at a disadvantage in the media landscape, we have to stay above board. But that does not mean we must abandon framing and messaging. I think our survival depends on mastering these tools and using them ethically to tell the truth and win.

George Lakoff has excellent instructions on how to do this. Unfortunately, he is unwilling to step down as a professor to be our Frank Luntz (but without all the lying). So it is up to us to learn.

I just put "in power" after Democrats because that's usually what people mean... TCJ70 Jan 2018 #1
I try not to put words in people's posts other than the ones they used. MineralMan Jan 2018 #2
Post removed Post removed Jan 2018 #3
Yah, OK... MineralMan Jan 2018 #4
Well. yeah, but... the problem with the Democrats is kydo Jan 2018 #5
I hadn't actually quantified it, but you may be right. MineralMan Jan 2018 #6
It usually follows a pattern kcr Jan 2018 #7
The "Messaging" thing really irks me Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2018 #8
Very true. kcr Jan 2018 #9
Right Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2018 #11
The entire concept of "framing" and "messaging" implies MineralMan Jan 2018 #10
Exactly Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2018 #13
I disagree. Framing does not mean lying. Qutzupalotl Jan 2018 #18
I said it implies lies and half-truths. I didn't say it "means" that. MineralMan Jan 2018 #19
Framing doesnt even imply lies or half-truths. Qutzupalotl Jan 2018 #20
The problem is the soft-peddling of the GOP lies as "messaging" kcr Jan 2018 #27
One of the few times I disagree with you, MM peggysue2 Jan 2018 #21
exactly - thanks for explaining that well - framing does NOT imply lying or DrDan Jan 2018 #22
In the context of politics, I don't blame anyone for any growing distrust in this area kcr Jan 2018 #23
Agreed. Caliman73 Jan 2018 #24
Sure, but reading the entire post she gave, created an entirely different context in my mind. Quixote1818 Jan 2018 #12
she was DOA because of (1) her low post count and (2) she was a registered-indie who voted Dem DrDan Jan 2018 #14
Once again you hit the nail on the head. cwydro Jan 2018 #17
Nicely stated. nt. Quixote1818 Jan 2018 #26
I read the entire post. I always read the entire post. MineralMan Jan 2018 #15
Maybe you could explain how the rest of the post changed the context then? kcr Jan 2018 #16
I would have to agree there, in most part. Caliman73 Jan 2018 #25
That is a big turnoff for me also Gothmog Jan 2018 #28
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