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George II

(67,782 posts) Sun Feb 18, 2018, 01:14 PM Feb 2018

For those who think Hillary Clinton will be "too old" to run in 2020, consider this: [View all]

Sanders was born on 09/08/1941, will be 79 years old on Election Day in 2020
Biden was born on 11/20/1942, will be 78 years old on Election Day in 2020
Warren was born on 06/22/1949, will be 71 years old on Election Day in 2020
Clinton was born on 10/26/1947, will be 73 years old on Election Day in 2020

I want to see her run again in 2020. By that time all the trash about her will have been hashed out and dismissed, and of all the potential candidates, she has the most all-inclusive background and message.

"I'm with her!"

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For those who think Hillary Clinton will be "too old" to run in 2020, consider this: [View all] George II Feb 2018 OP

"There's no education in the second kick of a mule." DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2018 #1

Dem, Hillary is STILL the most prepared candidate Hortensis Feb 2018 #31

I swear people are just trying to get a rise... Baconator Feb 2018 #144

I would argue she was cheated out of a win DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2018 #159

Disagree. Plus, she would have won any halfway normal Hortensis Feb 2018 #165

I would have to agree with you on every point. smirkymonkey Feb 2018 #197

Life is unfair. She was screwed out of a win. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2018 #200

I am reading her book "What Happened" triron Feb 2018 #187

+100 HopeAgain Feb 2018 #35

If we can find anyone else decent to run, we might as well give up kysrsoze Feb 2018 #47

So the older white man is unassailable, lapucelle Feb 2018 #84

That Really Blows My Mind Me. Feb 2018 #109

Gaffes... thats the best you can do? Like it or not, she is toxic... kysrsoze Feb 2018 #111

Lovely Sentiment Me. Feb 2018 #115

Yeah, thanks to her for her hard work. Agree. But its time to kysrsoze Feb 2018 #117

And Who Are You To Say? Me. Feb 2018 #118

Clearly those 3 million didnt get her into office. kysrsoze Feb 2018 #120

Guess You're Not Up On What Happened In The Last Election Me. Feb 2018 #125

Im not biased. I just dont want to bet again on a losing horsey kysrsoze Feb 2018 #127

See...THe Very Point Me. Feb 2018 #130

So? Have you read ANY news about the election and how it went down? George II Feb 2018 #136

It isnt about her being a woman. Its the effects of a 25 year kysrsoze Feb 2018 #116

The only two alternatives you mention by name lapucelle Feb 2018 #124

Quite Me. Feb 2018 #126

Haven't you heard? The Clinton thing is over. lapucelle Feb 2018 #129

I GUess I Should Me. Feb 2018 #135

If you read down the thread, I mentioned Duckworth and Castro. Try again. kysrsoze Feb 2018 #163

Why on earth would I try again? My point is already made lapucelle Feb 2018 #180

Agreed with you about Biden. Ken Burch Feb 2018 #146

If you don't think Biden, or any other candidate we run, won't be attacked mercilessly if he runs, politicaljunkie41910 Feb 2018 #209

let alone the third. shanny Feb 2018 #66

"... time for us to move on." rock Feb 2018 #78

Being the most qualified and being the best candidate are two different things Bradshaw3 Feb 2018 #112

Our opinions differ rock Feb 2018 #123

good quote! And quite true. WhiteTara Feb 2018 #185

What about a third kick? n/t kirby Feb 2018 #186

Sam Rayburn says no ! DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2018 #202

Borrowing a phrase from McConnell, I see. Hhhhmmm!!!! politicaljunkie41910 Feb 2018 #206

"There's no education in the second kick of a mule. " DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2018 #207

There have to be some new candidates Renew Deal Feb 2018 #2

Sure. But will any be AS GOOD AS Hillary, with her Hortensis Feb 2018 #42

Biden and Sanders, to start. kysrsoze Feb 2018 #48

Honestly, Biden fails on record, may excel on electability Hortensis Feb 2018 #52

I like Biden and Kamala Harris. (n/t) forgotmylogin Feb 2018 #110

I do also actually, Forgotmy. Obama felt Hortensis Feb 2018 #169

I like Biden. But Sanders should not run...not after the indictments yesterday and also there Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #54

My view is neither of them should run-Biden just takes us back to the Eighties-Nineties past, too. Ken Burch Feb 2018 #56

Lol. No surprise there. The surprise to me would be if Hortensis Feb 2018 #67

Most of the ideas I support do appeal to the "middle range of mainstream Democrats". Ken Burch Feb 2018 #98

You make the same mistake a lot of people do Hortensis Feb 2018 #175

I don't think you realize how condescending that sounded. Ken Burch Feb 2018 #189

It is pretty clear that the election of 16 was rigged by Trump loving Russians...so we can't take Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #193

I like Warren personally but she is not good at running for office. And she is from the East. Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #192

I really don't get why this party is clinging to the old guard. smirkymonkey Feb 2018 #198

I don't think we should tack his wife's issues on him, unless Hortensis Feb 2018 #62

I never thought Bill Clinton's actions should be attached to Hillary but in an election that is Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #191

Agree. Whoever our candidate is in 2020 will be sprayed Hortensis Feb 2018 #210

I go back and forth on this...I think we should choose be candidate we deem best or want and fuck Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #217

:) If they don't the others will just double down. Hortensis Feb 2018 #220

I agree entirely with this post. Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #221

So glad that wilderness trek turned out to be Hortensis Feb 2018 #222

Sanders? Only his hardcore, die-hard followers would vote for him this time lunamagica Feb 2018 #81

I won't vote for him in a primary this time. Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #194

Unfortunately, your intelligent approach marybourg Feb 2018 #53

:) We're at least some ballast in the boat, right? Hortensis Feb 2018 #85

Agreed that whoever new comes along needs to ring all the bells. Ken Burch Feb 2018 #59

Same here..... vi5 Feb 2018 #178

Check out Jay Inslee, governor of Washington. nt Persondem Feb 2018 #133

We don't deserve her. IluvPitties Feb 2018 #3

Barack Obama was 48 when he became President VMA131Marine Feb 2018 #4

Yes, women of her generation have had so much power for so long. MrsCoffee Feb 2018 #5

Kamala Harris? Kirsten Gillibrand? VMA131Marine Feb 2018 #10

Blah blah blah. MrsCoffee Feb 2018 #12

I rest my case. VMA131Marine Feb 2018 #14

Yeah, I heard the same old shit before she won in 2016. MrsCoffee Feb 2018 #16

Trump should have lost the 2016 election by 10 points or more VMA131Marine Feb 2018 #18

+1 million!! Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2018 #25

Hillary won both contests against her male opponents by R B Garr Feb 2018 #41

True, and that was what helped the upset to occur treestar Feb 2018 #74

Wow. DURHAM D Feb 2018 #27

I think the Russians made a difference where it counted most. VMA131Marine Feb 2018 #32

Oh. DURHAM D Feb 2018 #33

+1 MrsCoffee Feb 2018 #39

How do you figure that? VMA131Marine Feb 2018 #86

Thank gawd we have real proof now that criminal indictments R B Garr Feb 2018 #99

+1000 (nt) ehrnst Feb 2018 #122

Sadly ,I 100% agree. Denis 11 Feb 2018 #71

Stein voters and lazy no show voters made the margin close enough lapucelle Feb 2018 #93

... but she's not. Baconator Feb 2018 #154

Wow, that's a really substantive, liberalhistorian Feb 2018 #75

Why do we have to hear the same crap about her again? MrsCoffee Feb 2018 #79

TAMMY DUCKWORTH! Squinch Feb 2018 #17

+10 VMA131Marine Feb 2018 #19

Wait... it's possible at least one other woman in the entire U.S. may be better than Hillary???? kysrsoze Feb 2018 #49

No one, man or woman, is more qualified than Hillary lunamagica Feb 2018 #82

Except that HRC can't win VMA131Marine Feb 2018 #89

i was thinking about Adam Schiff and her! CTyankee Feb 2018 #87

I'm with you on this. Our country has a lot of problems and I think Duckworth has what it takes to jalan48 Feb 2018 #103

They aren't. She almost won. treestar Feb 2018 #73

Ahhh. I see the russians have had their way with you. Jakes Progress Feb 2018 #229

+1 spooky3 Feb 2018 #30

Post removed Post removed Feb 2018 #6

George is a good guy. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2018 #7

Are "your" (sic) Russian? NastyRiffraff Feb 2018 #63

That is highly offensive. Who are you? At least I'm here in the fray.... George II Feb 2018 #104

I do too. She was terribly robbed, but the 20 yr campaign against her has been so devastating ecstatic Feb 2018 #8

This is something some of us tried to point out for years. Ken Burch Feb 2018 #55

Time to move on, Ken. The primaries are over. NurseJackie Feb 2018 #69

Your advice is good Bradshaw3 Feb 2018 #132

Ha! NurseJackie Feb 2018 #149

Toxicity can take down other candidates as well. ehrnst Feb 2018 #94

If that is a reference to Bernie, I've repeatedly SAID I don't want him to run for president again. Ken Burch Feb 2018 #100

Strawman much? ehrnst Feb 2018 #121

Ok...if not letting up on the tax thing with Bernie isn't about making him leave the Senate. Ken Burch Feb 2018 #141

"The tax thing" as you so dismissively put it, is basic transparency ehrnst Feb 2018 #166

And the people of Vermont have repeatedly re-elected the guy anyway. Ken Burch Feb 2018 #167

"Sloppy bookkeeping?" ehrnst Feb 2018 #168

He released returns during the last campaign. Ken Burch Feb 2018 #173

He released the summary page of his 2014 tax returns, not the full returns. ehrnst Feb 2018 #174

Not meant as a strawman. Ken Burch Feb 2018 #176

As I said, Vermont will decide what they want in a representative. ehrnst Feb 2018 #199

"Organic vegetable farmer Brad Peacock, 37, agrees with Sanders on virtually everything, ehrnst Feb 2018 #226

I support Linda Belcher, but she's running in Kentucky. Ken Burch Feb 2018 #227

It looks like Sen. Sanders is planning another run...and if that is the case how can we lambast Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #195

Bernie is obviously not personally corrupt, unlike Trump. Ken Burch Feb 2018 #218

This message was self-deleted by its author ehrnst Feb 2018 #224

Plenty of straw men there... ehrnst Feb 2018 #225

How do you know that "the worst thing we're looking there is sloppy bookkeeping"? lunamagica Feb 2018 #215

just wanted to say i appreciate you trying to bring sense to the discussion questionseverything Feb 2018 #97

Thanks. I have no idea why anyone would be resistant to discussion and analysis Ken Burch Feb 2018 #106

agreed, the repubs cheat in a thousand different ways questionseverything Feb 2018 #113

There is also a mythology being established here that if only the primary hadn't been contested Ken Burch Feb 2018 #145

And there is truth there. There are no guarantees...but we would have had a better chance. Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #196

What "mythology" are you referring to? ehrnst Feb 2018 #223

NO! liberalhistorian Feb 2018 #9

Honestly, I think they're all too old. Salviati Feb 2018 #11

I completely agree. I voted for her, but they are all too old. Lisa0825 Feb 2018 #57

They're all too old. Gidney N Cloyd Feb 2018 #13

if she is the nominee I SUPPORT HER 1000% bluestarone Feb 2018 #15

As will we all VMA131Marine Feb 2018 #20

true bluestarone Feb 2018 #38

Isn't it fascinating that HRC is the ONLY potential candidate who is "too old" Hekate Feb 2018 #21

To be fair RandomAccess Feb 2018 #28

Not true. A LOT of us feel exactly the same way about Bernie or Biden. Ken Burch Feb 2018 #44

I just read several theyre all too old posts above yours BannonsLiver Feb 2018 #58

And they are going to trash talk the candidate whoever it is treestar Feb 2018 #77

women have to be twice as good to be considered half as good Skittles Feb 2018 #101

Yeah, she needs to "go away" we need to "move on." joshcryer Feb 2018 #137

She is not trusted GitRDun Feb 2018 #22

Hasnt she said repeatedly that she isnt running? Voltaire2 Feb 2018 #23

It's not her chronological age that makes her old customerserviceguy Feb 2018 #24

Great point, George! mcar Feb 2018 #26

K&R Gothmog Feb 2018 #29

I don't want any of the names listed to run. -nt CrispyQ Feb 2018 #34

There is a lot of upside to this. Now she is free to R B Garr Feb 2018 #36

Most of those who raised the age issue(plus her own stated wishes)about HRC running again Ken Burch Feb 2018 #37

All too old. We need younger blood. Golden Raisin Feb 2018 #40

You just tried to convince me that Clinton isn't too old to run... Captain Stern Feb 2018 #43

Plus... D_Master81 Feb 2018 #45

She's already said she's not going to run for pubic office again so...? jalan48 Feb 2018 #46

Yes, and IMO, they are all "too old." LOL femmocrat Feb 2018 #50

Everybody ages differently. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2018 #61

This is of course true. femmocrat Feb 2018 #64

Yes. I know it's hard to tell because he is so fast. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2018 #76

Especially with the fast forward effect engaged. R B Garr Feb 2018 #80

Cue: The "Yakkety-Sax" tune :-D NurseJackie Feb 2018 #164

lol, isnt that the Benny Hill music? R B Garr Feb 2018 #184

That altered footage is not new. lunamagica Feb 2018 #92

But still funny as heck. think4yourself Feb 2018 #107

I want neither Sanders nor Clinton to run...new faces. I think the indictments have made it so that Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #51

I love Hillary... but... BlueIdaho Feb 2018 #60

No thanks! I voted for Bernie in primary and Hillary in General Still In Wisconsin Feb 2018 #65

That's what I've been saying the whole time. You put it very well. Ken Burch Feb 2018 #105

This ooky Feb 2018 #158

It breaks my heart she is not President. Adrahil Feb 2018 #68

Thank you George, I'm with her too! lunamagica Feb 2018 #70

I don't think she is too old, since had she won, she treestar Feb 2018 #72

I don't understand why any of them would want to run loyalsister Feb 2018 #83

We need younger candidates. PoindexterOglethorpe Feb 2018 #88

She certainly wont be too old, but there is baggage that comes with losing a GE that is certainly JCanete Feb 2018 #90

Are there no capable candidates under the age of 70? guillaumeb Feb 2018 #91

At this point, electable is more important than capable leftstreet Feb 2018 #119

Sad, but I partly agree. guillaumeb Feb 2018 #162

not too old, but weighed down with too much baggage Jersey Devil Feb 2018 #95

I love them all gibraltar72 Feb 2018 #96

This Va Lefty Feb 2018 #128

I was her strongest advocate in 2008 and 2016, now it's time for a new face. tritsofme Feb 2018 #102

No. And no Bernie, either. Time for the next generation to pick up the ball. Vinca Feb 2018 #108

I'd be honored to support her in 2020, but I doubt she will be willing to go through that all again. Bleacher Creature Feb 2018 #114

Much as I love her, I really hope she meant it when she said she won't run again. MoonRiver Feb 2018 #131

Hard pass... Baconator Feb 2018 #134

Hillary lost due to lies, but those lies are believed. We do not need the risk!! nt USALiberal Feb 2018 #138

She would be great and healing realFedUp Feb 2018 #142

It is not worth the risk IMO. We need a win in 2020! nt USALiberal Feb 2018 #143

I don't think it is a good idea. Kali Feb 2018 #139

I am 71 and think my generation has had its wasupaloopa Feb 2018 #140

Ageism isn't cool. Willie Pep Feb 2018 #147

They're all too old. n/t X_Digger Feb 2018 #148

I am mainly concerned about 2018, as that is the immediate thing, but... Exotica Feb 2018 #150

AMEN to all you said!!! Lisa0825 Feb 2018 #155

only if we have a dem congress other wise the GOP will spend all their time.. samnsara Feb 2018 #151

I'm 74 and in excellent health. Sophia4 Feb 2018 #152

That is weird considering Bernies age two years ago, even. R B Garr Feb 2018 #161

But Bernie is in great shape. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2018 #213

Yes, this kind of conspiracy about Hillary is a JPR R B Garr Feb 2018 #214

I'd jump on the HRC bandwagon in a nanosecond if she decides to run again! democratisphere Feb 2018 #153

Could I ask you a favor? GaryCnf Feb 2018 #156

She said I am done with being a candidate. bronxiteforever Feb 2018 #157

I disagree that any of the crap thrown at Hillary would be dismissed, no idea what evidence seaglass Feb 2018 #160

Thank you! Boomerproud Feb 2018 #170

I don't want any of them. JNelson6563 Feb 2018 #171

I think she has indicated her political career is over ....as a politician.. Dan Feb 2018 #172

Hillary lost.would lose again ollie10 Feb 2018 #177

I like all those people, but I don't want any of those people, we need new young blood Motley13 Feb 2018 #179

I would hope... Mike Nelson Feb 2018 #181

The trash will never be hashed out and dismissed, not for Republicans. Beartracks Feb 2018 #182

I don't understand why posts like these get so much emotion fescuerescue Feb 2018 #183

She won't run. n/t Lil Missy Feb 2018 #188

We need new blood. applegrove Feb 2018 #190

Bring back Al Gore....he's younger than them all. kentuck Feb 2018 #201

No. Enough disruption. She ran twice and lost the primary to BHO, then the election. elehhhhna Feb 2018 #203

The Democratic Party... Snackshack Feb 2018 #204

My vote next time around will be determined by one thing....issues. democrank Feb 2018 #205

She would have been a tremendous President and I'd vote for her. But, I just don't think it would Hoyt Feb 2018 #208

kick for visibility triron Feb 2018 #211

You've proven that they are all too old to run Trumpocalypse Feb 2018 #212

They're all a little old (and pale) for the presidency. Orsino Feb 2018 #216

Love this thread! If two older men she beat by millions get to R B Garr Feb 2018 #219

I'd vote for her over any other possible candidate Jakes Progress Feb 2018 #228