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UTUSN

(70,696 posts)
Tue Feb 27, 2018, 12:31 AM Feb 2018

No, Monica, you (& Bill) were not alone. I & we were there, too, "#MeToo" as it were [View all]

Two things I don't have to prove, what a good Democratic believer on nearly all the laundry list of issues and on Equality for all (here, specifically, on supporting women - I could go on & on about the strong women in my family and the women candidates I have supported) - I am.

You and Bill BOTH rocked my world in a very bad, PTSD way. I blamed you BOTH, but despite what you went through my quandary was not being socially allowed to blame you for your part while having to defend Bill at the cost of channeling all my political energy into HIM while giving up the work on our Democratic agenda. I would have liked to throw a crystal ashtray at both your heads.

I still have carved in my sight your right palm taking the oath to testify while the journalist voiceover called you a child who was beyond responsibility despite your legal adulthood.

After all the years, I came around to letting Bill go, my being freed from having to support him and his crappy behavior and choices. As I say, since we were prohibited from criticizing you, I had long ago let you go. But in the years when you have resurfaced, I haven't gotten a vibe of your taking your share of responsibility, although I haven't paid much attention.

I will add my own little vignette from the same era: How I was a supervisor in my late 40s and a 24 year old I had hired came on to me repeatedly and I shut it down, such that I was no Bill. Within 3 or so years she not only replaced me in my job but became the top administrator (my superiors weren't so principled about handling her advances). I never made an issue of her career machinations any more than I did about your love and admiration.

But I am deeply invested in not buying into your #MeToo incarnation, any more than all the PTSD all of us were forced into by you and Bill for your short term jollies. Leave me alone.

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https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/02/monica-lewinsky-in-the-age-of-metoo

MONICA LEWINSKY: EMERGING FROM “THE HOUSE OF GASLIGHT” IN THE AGE OF #METOO
BY MONICA LEWINSKY

MARCH 2018

.... A student of Karma, I found myself seizing the moment. Whereas a decade ago I would have turned and fled the restaurant at the prospect of being in the same place as this man, many years of personal-counseling work (both trauma-specific and spiritual) had led me to a place where I now embrace opportunities to move into spaces that allow me to break out of old patterns of retreat or denial. ....

And the 20th anniversary of an annus horribilis that would almost end Clinton’s presidency, consume the nation’s attention, and alter the course of my life. ....

...a person who has been gaslighted.

To be blunt I was diagnosed several years ago with post-traumatic stress disorder, mainly from the ordeal of having been publicly outed and ostracized back then. ....

"I'm so sorry you were so alone.” Those seven words undid me. They were written in a recent private exchange I had with one of the brave women leading the #MeToo movement. ....

...I am unpacking and reprocessing what happened to me. Over and over and over again. ....

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Lewinsky is the last person who should speak about the #metoo movement. still_one Feb 2018 #1
Thank you, but I fully expect to be lambasted. & I still have CLINTON-KAINE bumpersticker on my car. UTUSN Feb 2018 #2
Didn't she once remark that she expected Bill to divorce Hillary and marry her? 3Hotdogs Feb 2018 #3
I am proud to have voted for Hillary and Tim still_one Feb 2018 #10
Exactly. Bad decisions and getting your hopes up R B Garr Feb 2018 #4
I saw that piece and just wandered if she jrthin Feb 2018 #5
I always think of that when she pops in to do whatever it is thinks shes doing lunatica Feb 2018 #7
I ask your same questions. And I fully agree with jrthin Feb 2018 #17
Wasn't her 'friend' Linda Tripp, whose agent was a Republican operative? csziggy Feb 2018 #20
We have to always face facts radical noodle Feb 2018 #6
She did more than consent. She initiated it, according to her own account. pnwmom Feb 2018 #8
Oh for sure! radical noodle Feb 2018 #29
Excellent point, TY! arthritisR_US Feb 2018 #54
The only person who mistreated her was the prosecutor who threatened her with 27 years in prison pnwmom Feb 2018 #9
The concept of inbalances of power did exist -- and most corporations had personal guidelines even karynnj Feb 2018 #24
She should have been fired for flashing her panties R B Garr Feb 2018 #33
"Problematic" didn't mean "banned." And there was nothing problematic pnwmom Feb 2018 #36
It was against company policy and could be the basis for firing someone karynnj Feb 2018 #40
At your company. Not most companies. The Lewinsky episode brought a sea change pnwmom Feb 2018 #42
I dont get the Monica hate. PdxSean Feb 2018 #11
They had sex...it was a bad decision for both of them...but hardly rape. She was an unpaid intern. Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #13
At no point does Lewinsky even hint at equating her sexual experience with rape. PdxSean Feb 2018 #22
She wasn't an employee...and in some business such relationships are forbidden and are Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #30
So she's equating it to sexual harassment -- even though she was the initiator. The power imbalance pnwmom Feb 2018 #34
She's trivializing the MeToo movement. It has nothing to do with her. pnwmom Feb 2018 #37
Bill Clinton was impeached for your information. Lewinsky has as much credibility to speak to the still_one Feb 2018 #52
I see DU's fearless band of slut shamers are out in force this morning. n/t retread Feb 2018 #12
I made clear my "slut shaming" was equally bestowed on Bill. Both oblivious to OUR well being. UTUSN Feb 2018 #18
Self-deleted, duplicate post. UTUSN Feb 2018 #19
Truthfully saying that a woman initiated a sexual encounter is NOT slut shaming. pnwmom Feb 2018 #38
How is pointing out leftynyc Feb 2018 #44
Monica had a relationship with a married man before she set her sights on Clinton. betsuni Feb 2018 #14
She showed Bill Clinton her thong underwear in the oval office. milestogo Feb 2018 #15
Are you kidding me? ryan_cats Feb 2018 #16
I agree. I would add that Clinton was the most powerful man in the world and could have refused CTyankee Feb 2018 #21
You must not remember, but Presidents having affairs had ALWAYS been afforded pnwmom Feb 2018 #39
Funny thing - EffieBlack Feb 2018 #48
And I'm sure he also didn't want to hurt Hillary more than he already had. pnwmom Feb 2018 #50
They both made terrible choices EffieBlack Feb 2018 #47
She did ask for it. In her interviews she said repeatedly that she was the one who initiated it. pnwmom Feb 2018 #31
She told friends she was going to have sex with Clinton before she started her job RhodeIslandOne Feb 2018 #45
She flashed her thong at him leftynyc Feb 2018 #46
I have zero issues with Lewinsky. NCTraveler Feb 2018 #23
'tain't an easy world for anybody but she participated with Bill UTUSN Feb 2018 #25
I didn't make her out to be a deity. nt. NCTraveler Feb 2018 #26
about Bill and Monica DonCoquixote Feb 2018 #27
"don't have to carry (Bill's ) water" - nailed, or anybody's who's a selfish f-up!1 UTUSN Feb 2018 #51
I read the VF story. My take was that Monica Lewinsky sees herself, lapucelle Feb 2018 #28
I thought it was about Ken Starr at first, but by the end pnwmom Feb 2018 #32
kick Blue_Tires Feb 2018 #35
How many of those in the me too movement leftynyc Feb 2018 #41
I'm a huge champion of my sisters and am all about #MeToo EffieBlack Feb 2018 #43
And to put this all into perspective: Bill Clinton not the first President to fool around. pnwmom Feb 2018 #49
I appreciate her article in VF. OhioBlue Feb 2018 #53
Unfortunately, his wife has paid the price. arthritisR_US Feb 2018 #55
Zero credibility. She knew LONG in advance what she wanted Gabi Hayes Feb 2018 #57
Yes, Monica, we are still talking about you-you-you. Unfortunately, some of us remember... Hekate Feb 2018 #56
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