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krispos42

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8. So if they didn't have AR-15s, they wouldn't have perform the mass shootings?
Wed Mar 28, 2018, 11:02 PM
Mar 2018

I understand the emotion behind your statement, but I feel it's due to the extreme frustration a lot of people (myself including) that this stuff keeps happening.

It's not a hardware problem, but it's very easy to focus on the hardware because it's solid and tangible. But the simple fact is, that people, either individually or in the form of a company, will develop and refine products and techniques to make things (including guns) work better and be better suited for a particular task.

People work on guns to make them handle better, to make them balance better, to make them better able to absorb recoil, to make them get back on target faster, and to make them easier to control. Also to make them more accurate, more comfortable, easier to hold, and so on and so forth. None of this is really a surprise. Evolution is a fact of life.

The techniques are applied to lots of kinds of guns, but because of the dominance of the AR-15-type rifle that is where the general public sees them. So even though rifles are only used to murder about 350 people a year (2016 numbers; the prior few years were less than 300 per) compared to 8,000+ people murdered annually with handguns, it's the focal point.

But this is what people seem to be trying to do:

Under the circumstances of a lone-wolf attack on a random concrete building full of helpless people with no way to escape; at a random time on a random day; usually with no warning; for the sake of simply slaughtering as many people as they can before the cops show up; under these circumstances the hardware limitation will prevent enough killing to call it a "mass shooting".

A lack of AR-15s will not deter these people. They're crazy. It's like saying that "since the Sandy Hook shooter drove a sedan to the school, we need to ban sedans". These people don't have a specific mission to accomplish; as long as they get to see the blood spray and hear the screams of terror, that is enough for them! Mission accomplished! They aren't like a military mission, trying to fight their way to seize control of a vital communications junction or to free POWs trapped in a prison; they just want slaughter before they die themselves.

Trying to produce a lack of AR-15s, however, will keep Republicans in control of things.

There is no easy solution. I doubt there is in fact a solution, at least not one that doesn't entail single-payer health care that includes full mental-health coverage as well as a shitload of time for it to work. My real fear is that, because the pervasiveness of the Internet and social media, this kind of event can marinate in the minds of sick people until another random asshole opens fire. Hell, the brother of the Florida school shooter is as sick as his murderous brother; he's thrilled at all the attention and wants to start a goddamn fan club.

You have answered your own post Sherman A1 Mar 2018 #1
I know Ohioboy Mar 2018 #2
They have a so-called safety course for kids, but its primarily to indoctrinate them Hoyt Mar 2018 #3
Post removed Post removed Mar 2018 #4
You are a gun promoter and look at the NRAs propaganda differently from me. Hoyt Mar 2018 #5
Post removed Post removed Mar 2018 #9
Quite ironically sarisataka Mar 2018 #10
Oh really? Straw Man Mar 2018 #6
You too promote guns and apparently buy into their junk on guns. Hoyt Mar 2018 #7
Here's the thing, Hoyt. Straw Man Mar 2018 #11
They are responsible for the tenor of the organization, unless you prefer Wayne LaPierre. Hoyt Mar 2018 #12
The POLITICAL tenor, which has nothing to do with their training programs. Straw Man Mar 2018 #14
Who do you think you are kidding? Do you really the NRA gun training for kids is designed to teach Hoyt Mar 2018 #15
The programs are designed to teach kids and others about gun safety. Straw Man Mar 2018 #16
IOW, you want the "abstinence-only"/D.A.R.E. approach. What makes you think it would work? friendly_iconoclast Mar 2018 #18
So if they didn't have AR-15s, they wouldn't have perform the mass shootings? krispos42 Mar 2018 #8
There is no 100% solution, but 20% short term is better than simply coddling gunners, Hoyt Mar 2018 #13
Better that than selling them off and pretending you've washed your hands of them... friendly_iconoclast Mar 2018 #19
It's like beer and whiskey... Ohioboy Mar 2018 #17
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