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Reply to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Mon Apr 9, 2018, 03:01 PM

Apr 2018

He gave it his best shot. Time for new blood.

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Just a couple reasons Bernie can win the nomination IF he even runs [View all] Omaha Steve Apr 2018 OP

Thanks no thanks waddirum Apr 2018 #1

agree. KatyMan Apr 2018 #8

Sanders and Nader 2020? Hortensis Apr 2018 #47

I sort of doubt Sanders supported Bill Clinton in 2000, PoindexterOglethorpe Apr 2018 #52

:) whoops. 1996, thanks. Hortensis Apr 2018 #55

I think I'm going to be sick. BannonsLiver Apr 2018 #2

You and me both. arthritisR_US Apr 2018 #25

He'll need to win more than Iowans, 1.5 million union members and Trump voters EffieBlack Apr 2018 #3

Unfortunately for him I think he's turned off more voters in the last year than he's attracted.... George II Apr 2018 #144

no thanks obamanut2012 Apr 2018 #4

You are using 2016 statistics and making some assumptions. Blue_true Apr 2018 #5

Yes, there's been a lot of media Hortensis Apr 2018 #48

Bernie will also get a more indepth look from the press and political talking heads. Blue_true Apr 2018 #69

Think you're spot on about new press scrutiny. Hortensis Apr 2018 #79

Exactly all that! bettyellen Apr 2018 #202

As much as I get that he is a newcomer on the national stage. NCTraveler Apr 2018 #6

Very well said. geardaddy Apr 2018 #22

Wish you wouldn't post obviously inflamatory comments that are clearly against tos. JCanete Apr 2018 #116

lol. NCTraveler Apr 2018 #121

what are you talking about? I'm trying to make a point about what is supposed to be accdeptable JCanete Apr 2018 #122

"what is supposed to be accdeptable" NCTraveler Apr 2018 #123

yeah, but you know I wasn't talking about the lecture. Take it easy. nt JCanete Apr 2018 #125

Lets revisit your replies to my couple of day old post. NCTraveler Apr 2018 #126

I plan to only vote for Democrats. So no. nt hack89 Apr 2018 #7

I don't think Bernie could win the nomination... kentuck Apr 2018 #9

And we've seen that movie already. Didn't like the ending. brush Apr 2018 #32

That's pretty much what I expect to happen in 2020... comradebillyboy Apr 2018 #110

Minority support is necessary. He won't get it. nt LexVegas Apr 2018 #10

He already lost it once. MineralMan Apr 2018 #11

Hillary lost in 08 and came back to win in 16 Omaha Steve Apr 2018 #23

I didnt vote during the primary... Mellomugwump Apr 2018 #41

08 was way closer...and the primary was way less divisive...she worked her heart out for Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #53

The way he acted at the Convention was really a tell. LisaM Apr 2018 #59

And the those folks were from the campaign too...disgraceful. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #63

Post removed Post removed Apr 2018 #105

She was great and put Pres. Obama's name in for' unanimous'. You know Sen. Sanders did not do Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #107

Her 2008 convention speech was so strong and unifying that even Keith Olbermann liked it. LisaM Apr 2018 #114

He didn't like Hillary or he liked Pres. Obama more...I miss Keith. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #164

I was talking about the 2016 convention... k8conant Apr 2018 #137

Sorry...yep it was a shit show in 16. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #163

I know. LisaM Apr 2018 #203

More grace and class than most in that position. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2018 #188

She showed incredible grace and kindness. That is leadership and class. ehrnst Apr 2018 #187

,,, lapucelle Apr 2018 #64

;) sheshe2 Apr 2018 #66

+1000 nt brer cat Apr 2018 #84

Bernie does not support the Democratic party. mia Apr 2018 #12

If he gets the nomination, Democrats will support him n/t leftstreet Apr 2018 #15

If he gets the nomination, Democrats will be viewed as so weak that they can't even find a mia Apr 2018 #18

Historically he turns down the nomination and runs as an Independent. NCTraveler Apr 2018 #20

I think i agree with you. trueblue2007 Apr 2018 #74

A few weeks ago Elizabeth Warren was a speaker at a very important fundraiser/dinner.... George II Apr 2018 #85

I liked him going into 2016. Adrahil Apr 2018 #13

I don't think he can win. I think he is too old. He is not a Dem. So no, I don't think Democratic OregonBlue Apr 2018 #14

My generation should sit down and let younger wasupaloopa Apr 2018 #16

He said Obama should be Primaried JI7 Apr 2018 #17

Agree...completely. Time to put 16 behind us it was an awful election and an awful year. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #54

Neither he nor Hillary should run in 20 Cairycat Apr 2018 #19

You write, "The hatred for Bernie runs very deep with some here." Jim Lane Apr 2018 #24

"DU" is... George II Apr 2018 #40

While we're restating the obvious... Jim Lane Apr 2018 #44

Did you overlook questions 11 and 18? George II Apr 2018 #45

Sigh. Another reading comprehension fail. Jim Lane Apr 2018 #46

Well done, sir. Wish I could rec it. n/t ms liberty Apr 2018 #61

I suggest Twitter, and Facebook...and I can tell you even my kids won't vote for him again...you can Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #57

So we have a difference in methodology. Jim Lane Apr 2018 #73

Sen Sanders has lost support and there have been polls that showed Joe Biden as more popular. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #86

I see the exact opposite of your wishful thinking. R B Garr Apr 2018 #62

I think most Democrats are even less likely than DUers... dawg day Apr 2018 #104

You repeat the myth of Bernie's unpopularity outside white male voters. Jim Lane Apr 2018 #117

55%/50% isn't very good when you're talking about the base. dawg day Apr 2018 #204

Bernie's favorability rating is 76% among Democrats. Isn't that the base? Jim Lane Apr 2018 #211

"Favorability" is very different than "If the election were held today, I would vote for him." nt EffieBlack Apr 2018 #219

That is, perhaps, why I wrote the second paragraph of #117. (n/t) Jim Lane Apr 2018 #223

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2018 #72

There is one reason why Bernie will never get the nomination grantcart Apr 2018 #21

Quite Me. Apr 2018 #26

Indeed. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2018 #39

Pass. bearsfootball516 Apr 2018 #27

So he's going to rejoin the Party again? Give us a break. PubliusEnigma Apr 2018 #28

Post removed Post removed Apr 2018 #29

I will be consistent. I think it's a distraction to talk about Bernie as a candidate now, pro or con Tom Rinaldo Apr 2018 #30

It might help if he switched his party designation from I to D a little earlier next time. stopbush Apr 2018 #31

He said last time he would remain a Democrat. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #58

He lied. stopbush Apr 2018 #67

I can't argue with that. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #68

No, he's not the one who lied. (n/t) Jim Lane Apr 2018 #224

Just one reason why he can't win the nomination: Tax Returns lunamagica Apr 2018 #33

Bingo. Especially for a candidate running on ehrnst Apr 2018 #38

Economic issues and integrity. Blue_true Apr 2018 #70

Bernie doesn't like the Democratic party, so no reason to think he'll be our nominee. KitSileya Apr 2018 #34

Yes, but he's not succeeding in driving out the true blue core of the Democratic Party. Indeed.... George II Apr 2018 #36

I know that is anecdotal, TexasTowelie Apr 2018 #42

Bernie isn't the face and leader of the future BoneyardDem Apr 2018 #115

Not wanting to refight the primaries but since you brought it up.... George II Apr 2018 #35

Any backup for those claims? (nt) ehrnst Apr 2018 #37

Which premises do you doubt? They are all self-evident to me. earthshine Apr 2018 #49

"Self-evident." ehrnst Apr 2018 #78

So, which do you deny??? All premises are OBVIOUSLY factual and true. earthshine Apr 2018 #88

Did I deny any? I asked for numbers and stats. For instance: ehrnst Apr 2018 #90

Short memory Omaha Steve Apr 2018 #92

Which of the several citations is that one? ehrnst Apr 2018 #94

Grassroots $ Omaha Steve Apr 2018 #95

My understanding is that the $27 "average" donation wasn't really borne out in the stats ehrnst Apr 2018 #96

1.5 million plus union members Omaha Steve Apr 2018 #100

That would be union leadership endorsements, and not individuals that would vote. ehrnst Apr 2018 #106

Never mind Omaha Steve Apr 2018 #108

Got nothing? ehrnst Apr 2018 #111

1.5 million is actually 1.25 million, but even so that's less than 4% of members of unions.... George II Apr 2018 #140

I cyte the facts of the 2016 campaign. All of this was true then ... and true now. earthshine Apr 2018 #130

My fondness for facts and citations bothers you? ehrnst Apr 2018 #132

You hate Bernie. Nothing will change that. earthshine Apr 2018 #133

I think you are missing where the "hate" is originating. ehrnst Apr 2018 #136

I would like an answer to that last sentence also. Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #142

They are based in facts and articles that I have been reading here and elsewhere for years. earthshine Apr 2018 #159

And we have the fallacy of proving a negative.... ehrnst Apr 2018 #162

You're the one who loves facts and polls, yes? earthshine Apr 2018 #175

Wait, wait, count me in I LOVE FACTS ALSO!!! Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #178

I know - the whole mocking tone of "you love facts and polls" ehrnst Apr 2018 #185

"I am refusing to do research FOR YOU." ehrnst Apr 2018 #184

Provide any evidence to the contrary of any assertions made. earthshine Apr 2018 #191

Again.... ehrnst Apr 2018 #196

"I have watched the party move to (the) right for decades." LOL. betsuni Apr 2018 #167

Ha!! :-D Nice catch! I see it too! NurseJackie Apr 2018 #173

And??? earthshine Apr 2018 #176

I know it is not true. betsuni Apr 2018 #206

Isnt that a rightwing talking point? Or wait, maybe not theirs, let's look at this Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #179

What are "members"? ehrnst Apr 2018 #189

I've heard size doesn't matter. betsuni Apr 2018 #205

Well yes, especially when one is in their 70's. ehrnst Apr 2018 #209

Ehrnst uses facts and citations to prove a point? mcar Apr 2018 #149

Guilty as charged... ehrnst Apr 2018 #197

This is AMAZING! betsuni Apr 2018 #207

You used the word "hate" four times in your post. On what do you base this personal attack? George II Apr 2018 #156

Lighten up, Francis. yardwork Apr 2018 #157

Bernie insists on being "I" Independent not "D" BoneyardDem Apr 2018 #181

Post removed Post removed Apr 2018 #186

Actually, here is what Bernie himself said as to why he ran as a Dem: ehrnst Apr 2018 #190

What's the point? Nothing here is disputed. earthshine Apr 2018 #194

Who are you talking to? ehrnst Apr 2018 #195

The DCCC? They didn't decide whether or not he ran as a Democrat. George II Apr 2018 #198

I still don't understand why you are here pressing an "I" and while you are at it.... BoneyardDem Apr 2018 #200

He "ran strong in Iowa", a caucus state, but he didn't win. George II Apr 2018 #141

He can't win a general election nt Tavarious Jackson Apr 2018 #43

Where are Bernie's tax returns? yardwork Apr 2018 #50

Yes, that is a good question. ehrnst Apr 2018 #91

I want to know why his supporters arent asking this, I really do. Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #101

April 14, 2016, sitting with Andrea Mitchell with the East River and Brooklyn Bridge as a backdrop.. George II Apr 2018 #199

I would not consider last time...whole different ball game this year. And Sen. Sanders has made Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #51

It is absolutely amazing to me that Bernies supporters continue insist that the Democratic Party EffieBlack Apr 2018 #118

I think Sen Sanders has die hard fans almost like a rock star...it is an emotional response...not Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #165

Partly agree... Mike Nelson Apr 2018 #56

And then be revealed as Ralph Nader the II. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #60

Nope. Never. Nt. Amimnoch Apr 2018 #65

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2018 #71

No one should run unless they produce 5 years of FULL returns before the first primary/caucus. pnwmom Apr 2018 #75

Screw the presidency. fleabiscuit Apr 2018 #76

I would prefer Barbara Lee, perhaps. David__77 Apr 2018 #77

The guy is starting to be vetted for the first time in his career. NCTraveler Apr 2018 #80

And, boy is he pissed about it. EffieBlack Apr 2018 #119

I will vote for the person with a D by their name MyNameGoesHere Apr 2018 #81

No. TheSmarterDog Apr 2018 #82

Nope. No way. Tipperary Apr 2018 #83

I am NOT a Bernie supporter, but I do think he can win the nomination in 2020 NewJeffCT Apr 2018 #87

Murphy could attract Bernie supporters. Garrett78 Apr 2018 #161

When would he become a Democrat again? Orsino Apr 2018 #89

Can we stop with the Bernie posts? kstewart33 Apr 2018 #93

If he were to win, would he remain a Democrat?... SidDithers Apr 2018 #97

Fool me once... as the expression goes. NurseJackie Apr 2018 #98

nope JustAnotherGen Apr 2018 #99

People still talking about Bernie lillypaddle Apr 2018 #102

No, I think he's out of the running. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2018 #103

I only vote for Democrats. OhZone Apr 2018 #109

Anyone who wants to run should run, and the voters will decide. It's called Democracy. vsrazdem Apr 2018 #112

Everyone has the right to rn - but they dont have the right to use an organizations money and EffieBlack Apr 2018 #120

Can't decide . I liked these two lunasun Apr 2018 #113

Why would we nominate a guy who says he doesn't consider himself a Democrat? MrsCoffee Apr 2018 #124

He needs to get some smarter people around him first Blue_Tires Apr 2018 #127

+1. Definitely needs to take that to heart. IMHO Weaver was his undoing in 2016 emulatorloo Apr 2018 #135

It is best to move on, besides November 2018 is what matters right now. Hoyt Apr 2018 #128

Well said re 2018 n/t emulatorloo Apr 2018 #134

No thanks. I'm a Democrat and want an actual Democrat as the party's nominee. elocs Apr 2018 #129

No. He is a good Senator for Vermont. However, he is not presidential material emulatorloo Apr 2018 #131

Excellent synopsis. EffieBlack Apr 2018 #155

Trump did not win Rust Belt voters based on trade. He won them based on the same lies StevieM Apr 2018 #138

Trump killed Trans Pacific immediately Omaha Steve Apr 2018 #139

People from all parts of the country voted for one of the two candidates for all sorts of reasons. StevieM Apr 2018 #143

NOT in the rust belt Omaha Steve Apr 2018 #145

Without Comey's involvement there would not have been a "difference-maker." StevieM Apr 2018 #146

Dem: Obama's trade push may have cost Clinton the Rust Belt Omaha Steve Apr 2018 #147

Trump didnt become president because of his stance on trade EffieBlack Apr 2018 #148

The rust belt was it Omaha Steve Apr 2018 #150

I disagree with you twice over. StevieM Apr 2018 #152

These Rust Belt Democrats Saw the Trump Wave Coming Omaha Steve Apr 2018 #153

You probably really believe that EffieBlack Apr 2018 #154

Is that why NAFTA-loving Rob Portman won his race easily? Garrett78 Apr 2018 #160

I never said NAFTA was the driving force Omaha Steve Apr 2018 #168

Dozens of links have been posted over the last year that back up what I wrote. Garrett78 Apr 2018 #169

Try reading my links Omaha Steve Apr 2018 #170

I have. And the opinions expressed by a few individuals do nothing to disprove the actual data. Garrett78 Apr 2018 #208

Not again. Crutchez_CuiBono Apr 2018 #151

And he generally stands by his positions. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #158

Like his position that Obama should be primaried Renew Deal Apr 2018 #172

Tax returns tax returns tax returns... Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #180

Here's some.... marble falls Apr 2018 #192

With the release of her 2015 income taxes, Clinton has now released 39 years' worth of tax returns Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #193

Old, White, Male Tarc Apr 2018 #166

He would lose again Renew Deal Apr 2018 #171

I know of no one who didn't vote for Bernie in 2016 who would vote for him in 2020. I DO know plenty EffieBlack Apr 2018 #220

In order for it to happen Sanders is going to have to run a more honest campaign. NCTraveler Apr 2018 #174

I can't think of any upside from another Sanders presidential campaign. comradebillyboy Apr 2018 #177

What nomination? He wouldn't be running as a Democrat. Lil Missy Apr 2018 #182

Oh no.... heaven05 Apr 2018 #183

Why do Sanders supporters ignore the fact that many Dems do not like him? LonePirate Apr 2018 #201

Many equals Most. nt LexVegas Apr 2018 #210

His favorability rating among Democrats is a mere 76%. Jim Lane Apr 2018 #212

A quick look at the actual poll reveals a few details. ehrnst Apr 2018 #214

It looks like his highwater mark was February 2016, more than two years ago... George II Apr 2018 #216

Yep.(nt) ehrnst Apr 2018 #217

Because they don't listen, they dismiss. betsuni Apr 2018 #213

They think if they just tell us AGAIN, only this time louder, how great Bernie is, EffieBlack Apr 2018 #215

I guess "louder" is "more right" or "more numerous" ehrnst Apr 2018 #218

No thanks sellitman Apr 2018 #221

This Bernie voter and supporter say no thanks. Still In Wisconsin Apr 2018 #222