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ehrnst

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379. "I think to some degree you can only criticize politicians by comparisson."

Sun May 13, 2018, 09:19 AM

May 2018

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Bernie seem to be excused from that, apparently.

Except when he is compared favorably to someone, then that is used as evidence that the other politician, however similar, is "corrupt."

Same with any politician who disagrees with him on anything whatsoever - even strategy to get to the same goal.

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Every Democrat Should Support Bernie Sanders's New Labor Bill [View all] Uncle Joe May 2018 OP

And propose amendments to improve it. n/t Orsino May 2018 #1

If they can improve it more power to them. n/t Uncle Joe May 2018 #2

Totally agree, but, please, not before some here get in their usual dose of unfair Bernie bashing. InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #127

So true, so sad, and so predictable. Jim Lane May 2018 #155

Personality over policy is overrated! But very popular, esp. with media. appalachiablue May 2018 #203

Yes, from the corporate media I expect the superficial. (n/t) Jim Lane May 2018 #214

Yes, one of the main reasons we're stuck with that dickwad occupying the Oval Office. InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #282

This message was self-deleted by its author ehrnst May 2018 #297

... sheshe2 May 2018 #270

.... ehrnst May 2018 #300

Heh! betsuni May 2018 #304

Solution: refer to it as a labor bill treestar May 2018 #383

There's no need to conceal the name of the bill's sponsor to avoid triggering the flames. Jim Lane May 2018 #386

Jim, you're stating the obvious, obviously (haha)... some people just can't help themselves. InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #403

Every Democrat should make Bernie get off the fence randr May 2018 #3

What is the war over? Uncle Joe May 2018 #4

If you haven't noticed the most people who worship Limpballs randr May 2018 #5

I have noticed it's being investigated by Mueller, the FBI and others, so Uncle Joe May 2018 #6

I have no issue with Bernies policies randr May 2018 #7

Bernie has if anything been consistent in his policy messaging over decades. Uncle Joe May 2018 #12

That's actually not a good thing. Because zero progress has been made on those consistent messages. stevenleser May 2018 #15

An oak tree doesn't grow overnight stevenleser, perhaps you might consider Uncle Joe May 2018 #17

It doesnt grow to an adult status overnight, but it germinates, becomes a sapling, etc. Thats not stevenleser May 2018 #19

I would say it's more of a sapling at this point. Uncle Joe May 2018 #20

Thanks. The Bernie bashing ignores the fact that Bernie has voted with Democrats Sophia4 May 2018 #50

Voted with them. sheshe2 May 2018 #236

Except when he voted against them, most recently with the Russia Sanctions, as well as.... ehrnst May 2018 #248

Lest we forget. sheshe2 May 2018 #258

Opposed the Brady Bill in 1993.... ehrnst May 2018 #260

Sierra Blanca sheshe2 May 2018 #269

Well said. guillaumeb May 2018 #261

Perhaps you should read more of the thread. sheshe2 May 2018 #279

Yes, the Bernie bashing never ends... sad to see, especially at a time we should be uniting InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #404

The GOP will never impeach their useful idiot. guillaumeb May 2018 #414

True, but the point is, if we win back the House and Senate, InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #415

Agreed. guillaumeb May 2018 #416

Absolutely, I think we got that one in the bag, but only if we don't get over confident InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #417

The bill was first introduced by John Conyers in 2003 in congress sheshe2 May 2018 #194

I never said it was a new idea. n/t Uncle Joe May 2018 #200

What I find sad is the original authors are never applauded. sheshe2 May 2018 #211

I applaud any and all political leaders that have a hand in or will have a hand in bringing Uncle Joe May 2018 #213

What the? OilemFirchen May 2018 #216

It was but some people preferred to change he subject. n/t Uncle Joe May 2018 #217

Nobody changed the subject until you did. OilemFirchen May 2018 #224

Wrong, post #3 started to change the subject from supporting the labor bill and that wasn't me. n/t Uncle Joe May 2018 #227

Nope. OilemFirchen May 2018 #230

That was the title of the article. Uncle Joe May 2018 #240

Ummm sheshe2 May 2018 #259

So for 30 years? sheshe2 May 2018 #233

"Bernie has been promoting this at least since 1988" Wow. Mayor of Burlington? George II May 2018 #246

It has existed in Germany for long before that. Sophia4 May 2018 #276

Yes, it takes a long time to develop and expand a health care delivery system ehrnst May 2018 #286

The OP is talking about strengthening labor laws, not healthcare insurance. George II May 2018 #295

Again, Germany is way ahead of us when it comes to labor laws. Sophia4 May 2018 #310

The US population is also 4X that of Germany and made up of 50 individual states.... George II May 2018 #315

But any improvements we make in labor laws have probably been made long Sophia4 May 2018 #320

Actually, Ted Kennedy was promoting it back in 1971 ehrnst May 2018 #257

I miss Ted. sheshe2 May 2018 #266

Yes. sheshe2 May 2018 #280

Why do you think that he couldn't get Ted Kennedy, who had proposed it in 1971 ehrnst May 2018 #301

Their work is not forgotten. Sophia4 May 2018 #275

And Ted Kennedy introduced a single payer bill in 1971. Truman in 1945. ehrnst May 2018 #262

We should all help water the seed. Sophia4 May 2018 #33

+1 Uncle Joe May 2018 #64

That depends what you mean by watering the seed stevenleser May 2018 #81

Actually, Bernie is out there making speeches and working. Sophia4 May 2018 #87

And he is having zero success. And knowing that he is throwing up legislation that has no chance stevenleser May 2018 #121

public awareness is not zero success. Democrats adopting more liberal positions, deciding JCanete May 2018 #142

The public isn't aware, the public doesn't support the idea, zero progress. nt stevenleser May 2018 #197

The public isn't aware of what? That's pretty flippant and inaccurate, given that all of the JCanete May 2018 #283

Neither flippant, nor inaccurate. He is having zero effect. nt stevenleser May 2018 #381

we could go back and for like that forever and wouldn't that be fun, but clearly this isn't a JCanete May 2018 #384

"Making speeches." sheshe2 May 2018 #263

In his speeches he speaks about his ideas about policy. Sophia4 May 2018 #274

My late Senator Kennedy sheshe2 May 2018 #277

No progress AT ALL on any front by this approach. I think there was one, a veterans bill Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #105

Here you go Uncle Joe May 2018 #141

The Observer - Kushner's publication. Note the shivs to Hillary, written during the primary, natch. ehrnst May 2018 #220

Here you go Uncle Joe May 2018 #223

Like I said... ehrnst May 2018 #228

'amendment king' sheshe2 May 2018 #264

Who exactly are you accusing of being bought off? sheshe2 May 2018 #281

Bought off? betsuni May 2018 #290

"How Bernie Gets Things Done in Congress Without Being Bought Off " sheshe2 May 2018 #342

Exactiy EffieBlack May 2018 #41

And Nancy Pelosi, who actually has gotten things done mcar May 2018 #218

The ACA is the closest we've gotten to universal health care. ehrnst May 2018 #232

I haven't seen anyone on this thread denigrating Nancy Pelosi or suggesting Uncle Joe May 2018 #252

I didn't say this thread mcar May 2018 #299

But, but, but... "if it didn't happen in THIS thread, then it didn't happen at all!" NurseJackie May 2018 #323

I'm so tired of the word games mcar May 2018 #325

Amen! NurseJackie May 2018 #221

Amen sheshe2 May 2018 #267

And... NurseJackie May 2018 #288

In EIGHT SHORT YEARS. sheshe2 May 2018 #265

He needs to join the party. TheSmarterDog May 2018 #206

Ding Ding Ding!!!! sheshe2 May 2018 #245

+1. nt Snotcicles May 2018 #21

"He was a lone voice crying out in the wilderness" EffieBlack May 2018 #43

There were others, Paul Wellstone comes to mind but the vast majority Uncle Joe May 2018 #68

Are you familiar with the Congressional Black Caucus? EffieBlack May 2018 #92

It irks the holy hell out of me to see Wellstone mentioned in this thread. Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #106

Me too. ehrnst May 2018 #118

No one else has spoken for so long against the corporate powers that be and our Uncle Joe May 2018 #119

You can't possibly be serious. EffieBlack May 2018 #132

I am deadly serious Uncle Joe May 2018 #146

I have no doubt you are serious EffieBlack May 2018 #151

Oh NOES - another "race charged post" ehrnst May 2018 #187

Nope. Black Congressional Caucus. ehrnst May 2018 #154

Can you give some examples of Democrats who ehrnst May 2018 #115

That's what the DLC was all about moving the party to the right to win politically Uncle Joe May 2018 #122

Um... the DLC no longer exists. ehrnst May 2018 #123

We are talking about history and I never said the DLC still existed but it Uncle Joe May 2018 #126

You can't name them, can you? ehrnst May 2018 #133

If you can't figure out the majority of the party as it was dominated by the DLC there Uncle Joe May 2018 #147

So you admit you were wrong about my "putting words in your mouth." ehrnst May 2018 #148

Perhaps you can show me these articles pertaining to the far left trashing Paul Wellstone? n/t Uncle Joe May 2018 #149

Well, if you had bothered to read my posts before replying... ehrnst May 2018 #150

You know, repeating things over and over doesn't make them true. betsuni May 2018 #268

Very helpful, quite a lot covered, thanks Uncle Joe. appalachiablue May 2018 #202

It's good to see you appalachiablue Uncle Joe May 2018 #208

1. One article doesn't encompass all the far left. Uncle Joe May 2018 #153

You wanted a link. I gave you a link. ehrnst May 2018 #156

The party was dominated by the DLC, that's a historical fact, denying it won't make it go away. Uncle Joe May 2018 #162

"Woke" ehrnst May 2018 #164

Post removed Post removed May 2018 #168

"Hillary was never a progressive"? ehrnst May 2018 #171

Hillary was not only very progressive but she on her own and she and her Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #176

But she apparently is distracting from actual progressive issues that matter to ehrnst May 2018 #183

Remember she once refused to bake cookies Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #185

OMG, yes. That neocon witch wouldn't even bake cookies. ehrnst May 2018 #190

1. Bernie's progressive proposals are more encompassing, they're universal, Uncle Joe May 2018 #186

Oh, right. All other issues ehrnst May 2018 #189

Universal is universal, that doesn't mean anything less than that can't be good or needed but Uncle Joe May 2018 #198

Yep, I hear Bernie was the very first person to have those positions. ehrnst May 2018 #199

"Don't be consumed by hate ehrnst".. you need to look in the Cha May 2018 #178

Sometimes I read this board and I laugh my ass off. Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #181

Not so "woke" after all mcar May 2018 #226

Hillary was liberal in some policies but most conservative in others, of course Uncle Joe May 2018 #235

"for all practical purposes supported or at the very least gave tacit approval" ehrnst May 2018 #239

Post removed Post removed May 2018 #244

Again... ehrnst May 2018 #254

Sanders is being praised for voting FOR the crime bill and Clinton is being bashed for a bill.... George II May 2018 #249

It all has to do with intent, Hillary as First Lady was certainly in a position to influence. Uncle Joe May 2018 #250

"Reasons" notwithstanding he DID vote for the bill, didn't he? For whatever reason.... George II May 2018 #256

Please show me where Bernie was focused on womens protections. sheshe2 May 2018 #278

Hillary in her support was about "predators"? ehrnst May 2018 #289

+1 betsuni May 2018 #291

So one's vote doesn't matter - intent does. ehrnst May 2018 #293

"intent" betsuni May 2018 #298

But reasons!!!!!!!!!! ehrnst May 2018 #255

Actually she was a more effective lawmaker in the Senate in her 3 years than Bernie ehrnst May 2018 #287

That is my recollection of Wellstone, ehrnst mcar May 2018 #222

I consider it an honor to have had the opportunity. ehrnst May 2018 #231

Indeed. ehrnst May 2018 #112

You got that right... Bernie's more of a Democrat than most Democrats! He has the highest percentage InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #134

"A lone voice crying out in the wilderness for decades..." OilemFirchen May 2018 #152

Those were good policy proposals but it doesn't change my point. Uncle Joe May 2018 #159

None of that is true, either. OilemFirchen May 2018 #161

Who are you trashing Jessie Jackson or Bernie Sanders? Uncle Joe May 2018 #163

Who are you making false claims about? OilemFirchen May 2018 #165

Which one are you criticizing Jessie for having it on his platform or Bernie Uncle Joe May 2018 #167

I'm criticizing YOU. OilemFirchen May 2018 #174

Because of the "lone voice in the wilderness?" Uncle Joe May 2018 #175

"Lone": OilemFirchen May 2018 #188

You have to understand there are a TON of armchair folks now who Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #177

Of course. OilemFirchen May 2018 #182

And while purity is demanded by those who dont know what they are doing, Paul Ryan Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #184

Indeed. (nt) ehrnst May 2018 #294

Yes, I hear he invented progressive politics. ehrnst May 2018 #195

"A lone voice" except for... ehrnst May 2018 #212

Excuse me? He's now campaigning against mass incarceration, which is the result... George II May 2018 #247

So what has he actually accomplished in all the decades he has been in office? sheshe2 May 2018 #251

I agree. I think that we should be discussing this in terms of his labor policy ehrnst May 2018 #296

+1 betsuni May 2018 #302

I'd like to know why he voted against that bill mcar May 2018 #307

You know, that's way more benefit of the doubt before rushing to judgement ehrnst May 2018 #331

Hillary always has bad "intent" mcar May 2018 #339

Confirmation bias is powerful, isn't it? (nt) ehrnst May 2018 #378

context would be nice here. Was there a JCanete May 2018 #324

This was a reply to Uncle Joe. ehrnst May 2018 #328

okay, I missed the context of your point when I read it, and won't speak for Uncle Joe. JCanete May 2018 #332

Hater of jobs, I would not absolutely stretch to concerning Bernie's vote on that bill ehrnst May 2018 #333

That's fair, so Sanders literally took those details to task when he spoke about the JCanete May 2018 #336

"I think to some degree you can only criticize politicians by comparisson." ehrnst May 2018 #379

Thank you... needs to be said. InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #128

Thank you InAbLuEsTaTe Uncle Joe May 2018 #144

Thanks Uncle Joe, but there won't be peace for me 'til BLOTUS is impeached... InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #170

I could drink to that. Uncle Joe May 2018 #173

This message was self-deleted by its author Duppers May 2018 #157

A direst result from decades of the corporate media conglomerates propaganda brainwashing. Uncle Joe May 2018 #166

You absolutely NAIIIILED IT again Uncle Joe... InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #180

+1 And esp. this. Few mention how non-stop media coverage greatly aided DT. appalachiablue May 2018 #209

Your the one who is shooting bullets, lol "Every Democrat should follow" grantcart May 2018 #191

Well said, grant! Cha May 2018 #219

That'll leave a mark. ehrnst May 2018 #234

It should.. it's a brilliant Cha May 2018 #253

Woah. sheshe2 May 2018 #241

Very well said, grantcart! brer cat May 2018 #242

Great post, grantcart. SunSeeker May 2018 #284

Apparently, you are not aware that Bernie Sanders invented politics EffieBlack May 2018 #292

Brilliant! Perfect! Absolutely TRUE!! That's the BEST summary and description... NurseJackie May 2018 #311

Thank you for spelling this out so clearly and succinctly. A joy to read. sunRISEnow May 2018 #317

Thank you for laying it all out so clearly. emulatorloo May 2018 #319

The war is over DT/Russian attempt to destroy American democracy. n/t pnwmom May 2018 #419

K & R malaise May 2018 #8

That depends Trumpocalypse May 2018 #9

The choice is totally up to them, some of them have joined him on this. Uncle Joe May 2018 #13

So if he wants to lead the Democratic party Trumpocalypse May 2018 #16

I believe Bernie has long felt he could help the Democratic Party more as an Independent Uncle Joe May 2018 #18

... NurseJackie May 2018 #26

Gotta Join You In That Me. May 2018 #37

Make a little room for me lunamagica May 2018 #66

Please note that leading Democrats, especially women, are supporting this bill Sophia4 May 2018 #47

+1 Uncle Joe May 2018 #53

Okayyyy? Well, that's nice. But it doesn't make what I'm laughing at any LESS amusing. NurseJackie May 2018 #55

12+ Dems. incl. Harris, Gillbrand, Warren support the bill. I know, good. appalachiablue May 2018 #215

If that comment wasnt so sad, to look around at our current circumstances and Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #109

I'm laughing with you pandr32 May 2018 #130

Exactly. KPN May 2018 #32

Why would a Democrat not be free to speak their conscience? (nt) ehrnst May 2018 #329

There you go again. Making stuff up. KPN May 2018 #335

What did I make up? Your post is right there. ehrnst May 2018 #380

Post removed Post removed May 2018 #392

Playing games? You avoided answering my question ehrnst May 2018 #394

Sorry but that sounds like double talk.nt Trumpocalypse May 2018 #35

Perhaps if one doesn't take in to account the power of the Uncle Joe May 2018 #51

Now that's really double talk Trumpocalypse May 2018 #75

You don't think Bernie's strong enough to speak his conscience if he were a Democrat? EffieBlack May 2018 #48

I believe he would have but the age of television's power pre-Internet and Uncle Joe May 2018 #62

What? lunamagica May 2018 #67

The powers that be don't have as strong a grip on the major political parties today Uncle Joe May 2018 #69

See? that was easily said in one sentence. I suspectthe post was so lunamagica May 2018 #71

But the misinformation that is willingly lapped up by both far right and far left ehrnst May 2018 #73

That's why we need major education reform focusing more on critical thinking skills and Uncle Joe May 2018 #117

How does "free college" that stop the propaganda? ehrnst May 2018 #120

I said education reform as well including putting a focus on critical thinking skills. Also I never Uncle Joe May 2018 #124

You are still avoiding the question.... ehrnst May 2018 #125

I have tried to answer your question improve critical thinking skills and college education would Uncle Joe May 2018 #143

So you agree that the idea that "free college" isn't any sort of ehrnst May 2018 #196

Huh? mcar May 2018 #308

Well, that makes no sense. betsuni May 2018 #313

Excellent question pandr32 May 2018 #131

Sorry bro awesomerwb1 May 2018 #52

Here's a quick test for you: OilemFirchen May 2018 #179

Well I'm not laughing UJ... I agree with you wholeheartedly. InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #229

I'm sorry.. that's just so wrong.. Cha May 2018 #272

She was and is a real leader. (nt) ehrnst May 2018 #303

Hillary has the experience and Cha May 2018 #337

HRC has worked in charitable organizations for over 5 decades. Boots on the ground. sunRISEnow May 2018 #316

Exactly so, sunRISEnow.. Cha May 2018 #338

LOL betsuni May 2018 #273

So, Democrats don't have freedom to "speak their conscience?" ehrnst May 2018 #306

No! Democrats get moneys and have to do what the money-givers tell them to do. betsuni May 2018 #309

Oh, right. I forgot. ehrnst May 2018 #330

It's a weapon. There is a lot of work to do to improve the image of Labor Unions in this country stevenleser May 2018 #14

Well, the Democrats could actually get behind it. Cuthbert Allgood May 2018 #25

Democrats are getting behind this. See my post #38 below your post # 25. Sophia4 May 2018 #42

Saw that Cuthbert Allgood May 2018 #82

I'm with you. No wonder we lose elections. Sophia4 May 2018 #84

This message was self-deleted by its author Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #110

Bernie is in the Senate -- actually working to improve America. Sophia4 May 2018 #44

+1 Lotsa time spent on individuals, candidates when policy advocacy is vital too. appalachiablue May 2018 #201

Read the list of Democrats supporting this bill and then decide. Sophia4 May 2018 #38

Good to know Trumpocalypse May 2018 #74

Recommended. H2O Man May 2018 #10

K&R.. disillusioned73 May 2018 #11

This message was self-deleted by its author NCTraveler May 2018 #22

K and R Hassin Bin Sober May 2018 #23

Did he introduce this when Democrats held the chambers? NCTraveler May 2018 #24

Did Clinton introduce one as Senator when Dems held the chamber? Cuthbert Allgood May 2018 #27

What does Clinton have to do with the op.... NCTraveler May 2018 #28

What does his prior presentation of the bill have to do with it? Cuthbert Allgood May 2018 #76

Nobody is doing that. NurseJackie May 2018 #29

Clinton isn't mentioned in the article in the op... NCTraveler May 2018 #31

So I'm a "righty" Cuthbert Allgood May 2018 #77

I know of few others who randomly trash Clinton... NCTraveler May 2018 #86

Again. I made that point to show the non sequitur nature of your comment. Cuthbert Allgood May 2018 #89

And there is the customary follow up. NCTraveler May 2018 #91

And there is the continuous lack of getting it. Cuthbert Allgood May 2018 #93

What is SDS? NCTraveler May 2018 #96

Oh, come on. Cuthbert Allgood May 2018 #100

Imitation is the greatest form of flattery. NCTraveler May 2018 #102

what is "CDS"? hlthe2b May 2018 #99

Credit Default Swap nt NCTraveler May 2018 #101

thank you... hlthe2b May 2018 #104

They were joking. CDS means "Clinton Derangement Syndrome." (eom) StevieM May 2018 #169

Yes.. I clued in finally... But thanks hlthe2b May 2018 #172

Yes. I see all kinds of strong support on this thread Cuthbert Allgood May 2018 #78

It's hard for my to trust a wealthy white man.... NCTraveler May 2018 #88

Yes. Bernie Sanders is exactly the same as Donald Trump. Cuthbert Allgood May 2018 #90

"This is why Democrats can't have nice things." NCTraveler May 2018 #94

SDS Cuthbert Allgood May 2018 #98

Honest to gawd: "safety data sheet", "Students for Democratic Society", "Saturday Down South"? hlthe2b May 2018 #103

CDS is a "clever" abbreviation for those that blame Clinton for everything. Cuthbert Allgood May 2018 #107

Ok... I finally get it. hlthe2b May 2018 #114

Just checked to make sure. NCTraveler May 2018 #30

I used it to make a point that what you said was just as unconnected Cuthbert Allgood May 2018 #79

Nah, you engaged in 'whataboutism' to deflect from the topic. 'BUT WHATABOUT HILLARY!!1!' emulatorloo May 2018 #140

He's introduced it several times going back to 1999 when he was a Congressman. KPN May 2018 #39

So it's not a new labor bill? You are outlining that the headline is deceptive. NCTraveler May 2018 #45

Lol!!!! You have to be kidding! Bernie has introduced the Workforce KPN May 2018 #58

He and Pocan introduced this one. NCTraveler May 2018 #60

I did not say yes. I responded to your assertuion that the headline was deceptive. KPN May 2018 #63

It says it's his new labor bill. NCTraveler May 2018 #65

Oh, I get it. Keep saying the same false thing over and over again KPN May 2018 #72

Not the same thing. ehrnst May 2018 #85

Stop making stuff up. KPN May 2018 #225

Thank you. mountain grammy May 2018 #113

So do you have SDS? Cuthbert Allgood May 2018 #80

Here. Sophia4 May 2018 #46

You say "here" as if it answers the question I asked. NCTraveler May 2018 #49

Democrats are now supporting the bill. Sophia4 May 2018 #57

So it was simply deceptive. NCTraveler May 2018 #59

Bernie has been in Congress, first the House and now the Senate, for at least 22 years. Sophia4 May 2018 #108

I am pretty sure I asked you up thread for a list of his accomplishments. sheshe2 May 2018 #358

How do you define "accomplishments"? Sophia4 May 2018 #365

Yes I know... sheshe2 May 2018 #368

Actually, Democrats have already been doing this for months ehrnst May 2018 #137

We need to support labor. n/t demmiblue May 2018 #34

I agree demmiblue. Uncle Joe May 2018 #36

I live in Michigan... the arseholes here are hard at work destroying unions. demmiblue May 2018 #54

I don't know of any Democratic politicians that don't. ehrnst May 2018 #97

Ya know, I think I read something about that somewhere... OilemFirchen May 2018 #193

OMG!! ehrnst May 2018 #205

... at the direction of their Corporate Overlords. OilemFirchen May 2018 #210

OMG. sheshe2 May 2018 #360

K&R. We do. KPN May 2018 #40

The bill is DOA. ismnotwasm May 2018 #56

Been watching this for decades, I finally figured out what is going on but dont dare Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #111

Why? I mean, aside from empty symbolism? Blue_Tires May 2018 #61

So no Dem should do anything in Congress right now? Right? Cuthbert Allgood May 2018 #83

They are. This here is from last year ismnotwasm May 2018 #95

But they're not Bernie! ehrnst May 2018 #136

Strawman again? ehrnst May 2018 #135

If the argument is that it is just empty symbolism because there is no chance it will pass, Cuthbert Allgood May 2018 #138

"So no Dem should do anything in Congress right now? Right?" ehrnst May 2018 #145

Right Cuthbert Allgood May 2018 #192

K&R DLevine May 2018 #70

K & R and thank you. mountain grammy May 2018 #116

If and when we regain majority control in Congress, MineralMan May 2018 #129

Let's introduce bills like this now so that people have a reason to vote Democratic in November. Jim Lane May 2018 #158

No bill co sponsors? JNelson6563 May 2018 #139

Cosponsors: sl8 May 2018 #321

One can't help but wonder how much more support there would be for this were Sanders not attached. Garrett78 May 2018 #160

Post removed Post removed May 2018 #207

This "new" labor bill just repeats every Dem party platform from the last 25 yrs. TheSmarterDog May 2018 #204

So they should be easy to convince to support it JesterCS May 2018 #271

And the fanatically pro Bernie posters seem to think his every utterance is gospel. TheSmarterDog May 2018 #285

They don't need to be "convinced" to support it, we've been supporting it since years before.... George II May 2018 #318

Why? George II May 2018 #237

Why wouldn't they? jalan48 May 2018 #238

It's a nice gesture JustAnotherGen May 2018 #243

This sounds like a shakedown, which I think in fact t is. ucrdem May 2018 #305

Of course... that's exactly what it is. Everyone knows it. NurseJackie May 2018 #312

That's good to hear. ucrdem May 2018 #314

What you call "shakedown" used to be called "the political process" Jim Lane May 2018 #322

Bernie Sanders Should Support All Democrats Me. May 2018 #326

It turns out this isn't a Bernie bill at all, and his name isn't on it. ucrdem May 2018 #327

Standard Bernie: Finds a parade & puts himself in front to pretend he's leading it. TheSmarterDog May 2018 #334

Yep. ucrdem May 2018 #340

Standard Bernie-bashing: Accepts falsehoods as long as they put Bernie in a bad light. Jim Lane May 2018 #351

What falsehood? Bernie does this all the time. TheSmarterDog May 2018 #376

The falsehood is the repeated assertion that Bernie hasn't introduced a bill. Jim Lane May 2018 #377

Got it: St Bernie can do no wrong. TheSmarterDog May 2018 #382

Your post is both horseshit and a personal attack on me and many others. Jim Lane May 2018 #387

Baloney. All you showed is your willingness to defend dubious claims. ucrdem May 2018 #389

This is incredible. Literally. Jim Lane May 2018 #390

Click "Bernie Sanders introduced the Workplace Democracy Act" in the 5th paragraph. ucrdem May 2018 #391

"On Wednesday, Bernie Sanders introduced the Workplace Democracy Act...." Jim Lane May 2018 #393

So you call someone "delusional" when you have no arguments left? ehrnst May 2018 #395

I have been reading this thread and BY GOD we better hope these folks are in a VERY Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #398

I completely agree with you. Jim Lane May 2018 #400

"For people with normal reading comprehension ability, my post ends here. " ehrnst May 2018 #405

Such data have been posted on DU several times, but here you go. Jim Lane May 2018 #411

Ah, yes, the the Quinnipiac poll from January. ehrnst May 2018 #412

If you "await" further links, you can keep right on awaiting. Jim Lane May 2018 #413

Thought so. ehrnst May 2018 #418

This is hilarious. Jim Lane May 2018 #420

You provided 2 polls, one from two years ago, and a biased analysis of one of them. ehrnst May 2018 #421

Actually my request was rather clear ehrnst May 2018 #423

ROFLMAO at "mad props over on JPR." Jim Lane May 2018 #401

As the saying goes... ehrnst May 2018 #406

You do know that the term "introduce" has a specific meaning? Gothmog May 2018 #396

You should share your boundless wisdom with Congress.gov Jim Lane May 2018 #399

Has sanders gotten any majors bills passed yet? Gothmog May 2018 #424

Has Sanders ever introduced a major bill that was adopted? Gothmog May 2018 #397

If I wanted to find out what his major legislative accomplishments were, where would I look? NurseJackie May 2018 #407

I remain curious about sanders legislative accomplishments Gothmog May 2018 #408

I would have thought that at least ONE of his vocal followers would have responded. NurseJackie May 2018 #409

Sanders sponsored the Senate bill, Pocan sponsored the House bill. sl8 May 2018 #341

There is no Senate bill, just a number. There IS a House bill, Pocan's, that the OP links to. ucrdem May 2018 #343

You're saying that Senate bill S. 2810 doesn't exist? sl8 May 2018 #345

ucrdem simply has it wrong Jim Lane May 2018 #347

The SB number exists but the text does not, which is why the OP doesn't link to it. ucrdem May 2018 #348

On what basis do you assert that the text does not exist? (eom) Jim Lane May 2018 #350

What part of "As of 05/12/2018 text has not been received for S.2810" do you not understand? ucrdem May 2018 #353

Why can't you read more than one sentence? Jim Lane May 2018 #357

The text exists, but Congress.gov and GovTrack don't have it yet. sl8 May 2018 #356

Pocan has the House bill on his House site. Bernie has no bill. That's why Levitz links to ucrdem May 2018 #359

I already gave you the link to the Senate bill draft on Sanders' site. n/t sl8 May 2018 #361

Levitz (OP) links to Pocan's bill but calls it "Bernie Sanders's New Labor Bill." ucrdem May 2018 #363

Your own link refutes your post Jim Lane May 2018 #344

The article doesn't link to Bernie's bill because it doesn't exist. Pocan's does. ucrdem May 2018 #346

Your assertion is still false. Jim Lane May 2018 #349

From your link: "As of 05/12/2018 text has not been received for S.2810." A number is not a bill. ucrdem May 2018 #352

Read the whole thing. Jim Lane May 2018 #354

Look if Bernie's bill was available Levitz would have linked it. It isn't so he linked to Pocan's ucrdem May 2018 #355

Sigh. Another reading comprehension fail. Jim Lane May 2018 #362

Okay deception doesn't trouble you. It troubles me. nt ucrdem May 2018 #367

Your post is a flat-out lie about my position. Jim Lane May 2018 #371

Oh Jim. sheshe2 May 2018 #369

Glad to see you in this subthread, sheshe2. Maybe you can clarify something for me. Jim Lane May 2018 #372

So, Bernie is proposing something, but hasn't done anything? Is that what I get from this? sunRISEnow May 2018 #373

That's what you would get from the posts of the Bernie-bashers. Jim Lane May 2018 #374

Thank you for the information Jim Lane. sunRISEnow May 2018 #375

Nailed it. sheshe2 May 2018 #364

Thanks sheshe! ucrdem May 2018 #366

Hey you. sheshe2 May 2018 #370

K&R. This is just one of many things he has proposed mvd May 2018 #385

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Every Democrat ... NanceGreggs May 2018 #402

That's always bothered me. Loyalty and a willingness to commit are important to me... NurseJackie May 2018 #410

+1000 (nt) ehrnst May 2018 #422