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EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
94. That's too bad
Sat May 19, 2018, 11:14 AM
May 2018

Talking about race, sharing experiences, with a trusted friend doesn't have to be divisive at all. Unlike religion or politics, race is a daily factor of most, if not every, black person's life. It's like being a woman - it's just the reality of who we are and affects our lives in big and small ways. It also deeply affects white people's lives, but because you're in the majority, it's harder to see how and when it does.

I think it's unfortunate that you don't feel comfortable talking about it with your friends. Talking about it doesn't mean arguing or presenting opinions about "race issues" but just talking about and sharing everyday experiences.

Black folk in America have always had to live with a duality - two faces, two identities. The face we put on for white folk and the real us. Have you ever heard of "code switching?" That's part of that dynamic.

We're very used to this duality, so we usually do it almost without thinking, but it's very taxing. It's not easy not being able to fully let our guard down around our white friends, to feel like we can't really share with them the wholeness of our lives out of fear they won't understand or simply that they're too uncomfortable to deal with it. So we tiptoe around it in order not to make them feel uneasy - the story of our lives - or to protect ourselves from being judged by them if they take something wrong.

When I get to know a white person and feel that maybe I can trust them, I'll sometimes drop little snippets here and there to reveal a little bit about my "inner life," i.e., the black stuff that's not always right out there for them to see. Sometimes they get it and take the cue. Sometimes they don't and I leave it alone - but there's always a little barrier between us.

I also appreciate it when a white friend just point blank asks me something - "What's it like ---?" Or "Do you feel---?" I don't resent it and never hold it against anyone for asking. I appreciate it and it usually gives a little space for us to start talking.

I've also had white friends and co-workers share a story with me about something they felt or observed and ask my opinion.

For example, a co-worker once told me that one of his friends made a really racist remark at a country club dinner. He said that the guy did this all the time but, although it made him uncomfortable, he hadn't previously thought it was a big deal and just ignored him. But, he said, since we'd become friends, when he heard this guy say something, he kept thinking how hurtful it would have been to me had I heard it. "I'd never thought of that before but all I could think of was how hurtful it would have been for you if you were sitting there and I was embarrassed. But I didn't know what to do. I feel like I should have said something, but didn't know what to say. What do you think?" That was the first time we had ever talked about race and we had a really good talk. After that, we didn't talk about it much, but I felt comfortable occasionally mentioning things that were going on with me or asking him questions and he felt comfortable doing the same with me.

So, "talking about race," doesn't mean having some deep, in-depth, uncomfortable talk. Sometimes it's just asking "What do you think or how do you feel about ...?"

Tuesday. WillowTree May 2018 #1
A couple of months ago TBA May 2018 #2
couple weeks back....at a meeting ..about a figure of speech... dembotoz May 2018 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author NCTraveler May 2018 #4
Well, I do it all the time Downtown Hound May 2018 #5
My wife. Last night. kwassa May 2018 #6
+10000 JustAnotherGen May 2018 #13
Same here. NickB79 May 2018 #37
It really is difficult. kwassa May 2018 #68
Trump called my wife's family "animals." hunter May 2018 #60
Last Week northremembers May 2018 #7
Unfortunately almost never. MontanaMama May 2018 #8
A few months ago get the red out May 2018 #9
This is common for black professional women ... kwassa May 2018 #12
Disgusting eom get the red out May 2018 #15
All day, every day - from the top down and the bottom up EffieBlack May 2018 #21
It is most fascinating .... kwassa May 2018 #27
Years ago at work mitch96 May 2018 #65
"I felt privileged in a way that she trusted me enough to tell me about that" BumRushDaShow May 2018 #32
And no wonder we're wary EffieBlack May 2018 #51
Ain't that the truth! BumRushDaShow May 2018 #59
A half an hour ago. H2O Man May 2018 #10
This morning JustAnotherGen May 2018 #11
Mothers' Day - Jane Austin May 2018 #14
Last Friday. A close friend. My living room. Bok_Tukalo May 2018 #16
About four years ago dumbcat May 2018 #17
Last week Runningdawg May 2018 #18
A few months back. African immigrant. Decoy of Fenris May 2018 #19
Please don't let one negative experience with one person of color scare you away from EffieBlack May 2018 #22
Oh, I know that. It was just in a work setting, and I can't risk losing a job over it. Decoy of Fenris May 2018 #24
Your wife got fired for creating a hostile work environment because she discussed race? Empowerer May 2018 #40
Yes, by a white coworker who eavesdropped into the convo. Decoy of Fenris May 2018 #43
That sounds like a possible illegal termination. Did she do anything about it? EffieBlack May 2018 #50
She was an "at-will" employee. We had no recourse. Decoy of Fenris May 2018 #53
Even at-will employees can't be fired for discriminatory reasons. EffieBlack May 2018 #54
Well, be that as it may, she's ended up the better for it, so we're in no hurry to sue or anything. Decoy of Fenris May 2018 #57
The Left has lots of "problems" with "division" and they aren't limited to allies responding EffieBlack May 2018 #62
Of course not. As with any problem, there's always a multitude of influences. Decoy of Fenris May 2018 #63
"He flipped an absolute -shit- at me" BumRushDaShow May 2018 #46
Yeah, I get where that would be the case. Decoy of Fenris May 2018 #47
You will always have people who come here BumRushDaShow May 2018 #48
My question is, DO WE WANT TO TAKE CONTROL OF CONGRESS Hortensis May 2018 #20
Thank you for the reminder. I didn't know that. EffieBlack May 2018 #23
When classes are in session, a few times a week ProudLib72 May 2018 #25
Every semester we devote a day to race and what it means and how it plays out in U.S. History malchickiwick May 2018 #26
The PBS series is really good. kwassa May 2018 #30
One day 1/16th of the semester and I have to cover 10,000-plus years of history!! malchickiwick May 2018 #38
it does make me feel better. kwassa May 2018 #41
My part of the conversation was, "Yeah, that's fucked up." aikoaiko May 2018 #28
Three Weeks Ago JustFiveMoreMinutes May 2018 #29
Two years ago ghostsinthemachine May 2018 #31
My most gracious filipa daughter in law - married to my son, Ret. 21 years - Navy Chief - asiliveandbreathe May 2018 #33
MONDAY heaven05 May 2018 #34
About right now cagefreesoylentgreen May 2018 #35
Frequently enough that they aren't distinct recollections. Ms. Toad May 2018 #36
About a week ago mokawanis May 2018 #39
Today actually Devil Child May 2018 #42
This past week, talking to a conservative friend- his family is from Columbia but he's been bettyellen May 2018 #44
Might be good to answer that question yourself oberliner May 2018 #45
Ok, Boo - I'll be glad to answer EffieBlack May 2018 #49
Hey, Boo - you're usually so quick to respond to everything I say, but you still haven't responded EffieBlack May 2018 #61
About 45 minutes ago... The_REAL_Ecumenist May 2018 #52
My last face to face conversation about racism meadowlander May 2018 #55
It comes up every so often with a friend of mine jes06c May 2018 #56
LOL-sometimes all you can do is just nod and say "That's really interesting. Wow, look at the time!" EffieBlack May 2018 #58
Right after the Starbucks incident neeksgeek May 2018 #64
Never, the downside is way worse than the upside MichMan May 2018 #66
You don't have any black friends or co-workers or people of color whom you trust and trust you? EffieBlack May 2018 #67
Some, but still won't discuss race with them for the reasons I stated. MichMan May 2018 #93
That's too bad EffieBlack May 2018 #94
Thankfully, all the freaking time Cal Carpenter May 2018 #69
This is great EffieBlack May 2018 #71
Maybe a month ago MissB May 2018 #70
I have a very close friend who is a refugee from Congo. He is very black. We decided he would Amaryllis May 2018 #72
For whatever reason, I end up in conversations about this with non-white people all the time Victor_c3 May 2018 #73
The former head of the county GOP tried to tell me that voter id laws are not racist Gothmog May 2018 #74
I was in my County Affirmative Action Commission for 13 years. Does that count? Hekate May 2018 #75
When was the last time you tried to find something in common with a secretary or other clerical EffieBlack May 2018 #76
Good for you, because I was lonely as shit back in the day. When I finally carved out some time... Hekate May 2018 #79
Two months ago with a cab driver from Nigeria... talked after an AA on side of road flipped him off. InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #77
What was his answer? EffieBlack May 2018 #78
OMG yes Effie... had some amazing talks w/ cabbies! That day I had at least a half-hour conversation InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #92
Last week with my grandson nini May 2018 #80
Couldn't tell you exactly when, PoindexterOglethorpe May 2018 #81
Really, not much ever really captain queeg May 2018 #82
Recently and regularly. But white folks need to talk to white folks. Garrett78 May 2018 #83
A few days ago at a state conference. femmedem May 2018 #84
10 years ago a neighbor across the street put up a confederate battle flag on his porch... beachbum bob May 2018 #85
A few days ago with my wife. We watched the Rachel Dolezal film on Netflix. TCJ70 May 2018 #86
Years ago I was out of town on a project and sitting at a local bar after work with one of my beachbum bob May 2018 #87
What you did was much more effective than calling him a racist asshole. femmedem May 2018 #89
I truly hate racist assholes but I can temper what comes out and keep those inside words, in.. beachbum bob May 2018 #90
3 years ago I became close to a co-worker who is black. GreenEyedLefty May 2018 #88
A few minutes ago, with my wife. We talked about the royal wedding. We cried. yardwork May 2018 #91
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