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LostOne4Ever

(9,288 posts)
7. Yesterdays Radical Left is todays centrism Yesterdays centrism is today's Radical Right
Wed May 30, 2018, 12:17 AM
May 2018

And Todays Radical Left will be tomorrow's centrism, and todays centrism is the tomorrows radical right.

BTW, many Liberal voices couldn’t stand Barack Obama because he was a centrist


Whatever you do don't tell Obama that. Cause, based on the positions he took he is a hardcore Left Liberal himself:

http://www.ontheissues.org/Barack_Obama.htm



Personally I like what MLK JR. (your avatar) said about moderation and extremism in a letter from Birmingham Jail.

I must make two honest confessions to you, my Christian and Jewish brothers. First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.

I had hoped that the white moderate would understand that law and order exist for the purpose of establishing justice and that when they fail in this purpose they become the dangerously structured dams that block the flow of social progress. I had hoped that the white moderate would understand that the present tension in the South is a necessary phase of the transition from an obnoxious negative peace, in which the Negro passively accepted his unjust plight, to a substantive and positive peace, in which all men will respect the dignity and worth of human personality. Actually, we who engage in nonviolent direct action are not the creators of tension. We merely bring to the surface the hidden tension that is already alive. We bring it out in the open, where it can be seen and dealt with. Like a boil that can never be cured so long as it is covered up but must be opened with all its ugliness to the natural medicines of air and light, injustice must be exposed, with all the tension its exposure creates, to the light of human conscience and the air of national opinion before it can be cured.

In your statement you assert that our actions, even though peaceful, must be condemned because they precipitate violence. But is this a logical assertion? Isn't this like condemning a robbed man because his possession of money precipitated the evil act of robbery? Isn't this like condemning Socrates because his unswerving commitment to truth and his philosophical inquiries precipitated the act by the misguided populace in which they made him drink hemlock? Isn't this like condemning Jesus because his unique God consciousness and never ceasing devotion to God's will precipitated the evil act of crucifixion? We must come to see that, as the federal courts have consistently affirmed, it is wrong to urge an individual to cease his efforts to gain his basic constitutional rights because the quest may precipitate violence. Society must protect the robbed and punish the robber. I had also hoped that the white moderate would reject the myth concerning time in relation to the struggle for freedom. I have just received a letter from a white brother in Texas. He writes: "All Christians know that the colored people will receive equal rights eventually, but it is possible that you are in too great a religious hurry. It has taken Christianity almost two thousand years to accomplish what it has. The teachings of Christ take time to come to earth." Such an attitude stems from a tragic misconception of time, from the strangely irrational notion that there is something in the very flow of time that will inevitably cure all ills. Actually, time itself is neutral; it can be used either destructively or constructively. More and more I feel that the people of ill will have used time much more effectively than have the people of good will. We will have to repent in this generation not merely for the hateful words and actions of the bad people but for the appalling silence of the good people. Human progress never rolls in on wheels of inevitability; it comes through the tireless efforts of men willing to be co workers with God, and without this hard work, time itself becomes an ally of the forces of social stagnation. We must use time creatively, in the knowledge that the time is always ripe to do right. Now is the time to make real the promise of democracy and transform our pending national elegy into a creative psalm of brotherhood. Now is the time to lift our national policy from the quicksand of racial injustice to the solid rock of human dignity.

You speak of our activity in Birmingham as extreme. At first I was rather disappointed that fellow clergymen would see my nonviolent efforts as those of an extremist. I began thinking about the fact that I stand in the middle of two opposing forces in the Negro community. One is a force of complacency, made up in part of Negroes who, as a result of long years of oppression, are so drained of self respect and a sense of "somebodiness" that they have adjusted to segregation; and in part of a few middle-class Negroes who, because of a degree of academic and economic security and because in some ways they profit by segregation, have become insensitive to the problems of the masses. The other force is one of bitterness and hatred, and it comes perilously close to advocating violence. It is expressed in the various black nationalist groups that are springing up across the nation, the largest and best known being Elijah Muhammad's Muslim movement. Nourished by the Negro's frustration over the continued existence of racial discrimination, this movement is made up of people who have lost faith in America, who have absolutely repudiated Christianity, and who have concluded that the white man is an incorrigible "devil."

I have tried to stand between these two forces, saying that we need emulate neither the "do nothingism" of the complacent nor the hatred and despair of the black nationalist. For there is the more excellent way of love and nonviolent protest. I am grateful to God that, through the influence of the Negro church, the way of nonviolence became an integral part of our struggle. If this philosophy had not emerged, by now many streets of the South would, I am convinced, be flowing with blood. And I am further convinced that if our white brothers dismiss as "rabble rousers" and "outside agitators" those of us who employ nonviolent direct action, and if they refuse to support our nonviolent efforts, millions of Negroes will, out of frustration and despair, seek solace and security in black nationalist ideologies--a development that would inevitably lead to a frightening racial nightmare.

Oppressed people cannot remain oppressed forever. The yearning for freedom eventually manifests itself, and that is what has happened to the American Negro. Something within has reminded him of his birthright of freedom, and something without has reminded him that it can be gained. Consciously or unconsciously, he has been caught up by the Zeitgeist, and with his black brothers of Africa and his brown and yellow brothers of Asia, South America and the Caribbean, the United States Negro is moving with a sense of great urgency toward the promised land of racial justice. If one recognizes this vital urge that has engulfed the Negro community, one should readily understand why public demonstrations are taking place. The Negro has many pent up resentments and latent frustrations, and he must release them. So let him march; let him make prayer pilgrimages to the city hall; let him go on freedom rides -and try to understand why he must do so. If his repressed emotions are not released in nonviolent ways, they will seek expression through violence; this is not a threat but a fact of history. So I have not said to my people: "Get rid of your discontent." Rather, I have tried to say that this normal and healthy discontent can be channeled into the creative outlet of nonviolent direct action. And now this approach is being termed extremist. But though I was initially disappointed at being categorized as an extremist, as I continued to think about the matter I gradually gained a measure of satisfaction from the label. Was not Jesus an extremist for love: "Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you." Was not Amos an extremist for justice: "Let justice roll down like waters and righteousness like an ever flowing stream." Was not Paul an extremist for the Christian gospel: "I bear in my body the marks of the Lord Jesus." Was not Martin Luther an extremist: "Here I stand; I cannot do otherwise, so help me God." And John Bunyan: "I will stay in jail to the end of my days before I make a butchery of my conscience." And Abraham Lincoln: "This nation cannot survive half slave and half free." And Thomas Jefferson: "We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal . . ." So the question is not whether we will be extremists, but what kind of extremists we will be. Will we be extremists for hate or for love? Will we be extremists for the preservation of injustice or for the extension of justice? In that dramatic scene on Calvary's hill three men were crucified. We must never forget that all three were crucified for the same crime--the crime of extremism. Two were extremists for immorality, and thus fell below their environment. The other, Jesus Christ, was an extremist for love, truth and goodness, and thereby rose above his environment. Perhaps the South, the nation and the world are in dire need of creative extremists.


-Martin Luther King Jr.

http://www.africa.upenn.edu/Articles_Gen/Letter_Birmingham.html



The problem is that today's centrists... the few that are around... are yesterday's far right. lapfog_1 May 2018 #1
I don't think that's true. They would have been more on the right in the past, pnwmom May 2018 #11
I don't think that's true at all. Honeycombe8 May 2018 #12
"fiscally for-the-rich and pro-business, etc. " disillusioned73 May 2018 #22
The Republicans have always been this way, in my memory. Honeycombe8 May 2018 #23
+1 PDittie May 2018 #37
A lot of people are at the point where they want to burn shit down. Blue_true May 2018 #2
Could you provide a list of demagogues on the left? DURHAM D May 2018 #3
Not a fan of getting my posts hidden--so no blake2012 May 2018 #4
I don't believe such a list would be hidden so DURHAM D May 2018 #5
I do. And I had a post hidden for just such a statement blake2012 May 2018 #6
Yesterdays Radical Left is todays centrism Yesterdays centrism is today's Radical Right LostOne4Ever May 2018 #7
By their very definition, moderates are slower adopters of change than radicals blake2012 May 2018 #9
Completely disagree with.. Kentonio May 2018 #31
Centrist are to slow in recognnizing extremes standingtall May 2018 #8
Broad brush, much? blake2012 May 2018 #10
To the contrary, I think they're the first to notice. Honeycombe8 May 2018 #13
Im a Democrat angrychair May 2018 #14
No. If deals were to be made, it is with moderates on the other side of the aisle blake2012 May 2018 #17
Disagree PDittie May 2018 #39
I very clearly did not give the farther left in Dem caucus the false equivalence blake2012 May 2018 #42
Disagree PDittie May 2018 #47
Ugghh. If that's what you want to hang your hat on blake2012 May 2018 #54
One person's radical is another person's reasonable. Garrett78 May 2018 #63
The gesture is admirable angrychair May 2018 #45
Agree. Well said. PDittie May 2018 #48
"... and always have been." OilemFirchen May 2018 #53
There is one-offs in everything angrychair May 2018 #57
And Eisenhower spoke out against the military industrial complex. Garrett78 May 2018 #64
Things get worse because the dominant narrative is absurd. Garrett78 May 2018 #59
+10000000000000. N/T angrychair May 2018 #66
This cartoon sums up what compromise has looked like over the last several decades: Garrett78 May 2018 #62
I truly think that part of the problem is that the Internet tends to keep the two sides from talking Stonepounder May 2018 #15
Perfect illustration and I agree about not only the internet but our overly curated lives blake2012 May 2018 #18
the problem with centrism is that it exists between the left and wherever the fuck the right decides JCanete May 2018 #16
Agreed. Which is why MLK said the arc of history is long but bends toward justicd blake2012 May 2018 #20
... demmiblue May 2018 #24
I love this.. disillusioned73 May 2018 #26
I know (she is a cartoonist from Australia). demmiblue May 2018 #29
See post #59. Garrett78 May 2018 #60
The problem with "centrism".. disillusioned73 May 2018 #19
My values have gotten more liberal since the 80's and others have too. Key policy areas show blake2012 May 2018 #21
I agree.. disillusioned73 May 2018 #25
+1. Some of us have started to recognize this skewing... ck4829 May 2018 #27
Yup.. disillusioned73 May 2018 #28
A pretty apt description ck4829 May 2018 #33
No, I don't like insidious fake-disillusionment messages. Hortensis May 2018 #34
There is nothing "fake" about it.. disillusioned73 May 2018 #35
Particularly vulnerable for 2 decades, targeted for 2 decades. Hortensis May 2018 #36
Vulnerable, no.. targeted, only after opening my eyes.. disillusioned73 May 2018 #38
Wouldn't criticizing our use of power be more satisfying Hortensis May 2018 #40
I never said "don't bother voting".. disillusioned73 May 2018 #49
So, you're going to vote and talk 3 others out of it? Hortensis May 2018 #50
I have no nefarious hidden agenda.. disillusioned73 May 2018 #51
Of course you don't. That's actually part of the point. Hortensis May 2018 #52
This blake2012 May 2018 #43
Of course. This is evil-right's noise as they figh for existence. Hortensis May 2018 #30
This would suggest centrism represents a true center. It doesn't. Kentonio May 2018 #32
Prolonged massive economic disparity is the greatest threat to Democracy Uncle Joe May 2018 #41
You're welcome and I agree with your post blake2012 May 2018 #44
Well I disagree with your post of equivalence, being mad and getting mad are two different things Uncle Joe May 2018 #46
Almost all our problems are caused by the religious takeover of the republicans GulfCoast66 May 2018 #55
Here's a flash-card reference point: OilemFirchen May 2018 #56
Well put. I agree blake2012 May 2018 #58
The issue with capitalism is it's rooted in the principle of neverending growth on a finite planet. Garrett78 May 2018 #61
Just got back from a trip to Berlin. Lots of history there of one scenario of when the center fails pampango May 2018 #65
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