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Time for change

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Sun Jun 24, 2018, 05:57 PM Jun 2018

I Think we Should Be Extremely Concerned about the Evil that Brought us Trump: Election Fraud [View all]

Facts about the vulnerability of electronic vote counting in the United States

Fact 1: It is universally agreed that the electronic vote counting system in the United States is very vulnerable to manipulation – i.e. election theft.

Fact 2: All of the electronic vote counting in the United States is done by machines owned by right wing individuals. Ownership of the machines makes election fraud especially easy. Hacking is not necessary. All it takes is for the owners of the machines to program them for the desired results.

Fact 3: Meaningful oversight of our elections is practically non-existent:
 Many jurisdictions produce electronic results that cannot be recounted because there is no paper trail to recount
 Neither the machines nor the results produced by them are ever available for public inspection, based on the principle that they are privately owned. So they cannot be inspected and analyzed for malicious code, despite myriad requests from election integrity organizations that this be done.
 When requests for paper recounts are made, unless the margin of victory is extremely narrow, so many obstructions exist for obtaining a thorough recount that it has never been done in a meaningful way in the United States.

Fact 4: In addition to the above noted facts that explain the potential for election theft, abundant evidence exists from exit polls and many other means that election theft has occurred on a massive basis in the United States since 2004, in elections at the Presidential, Senate, House and gubernatorial levels. The election theft always points in the same direction – favoring the more right-wing candidate.


Interpretation/discussion

Facts 1 through 3 scream out to us for the need to make our elections transparent and over-seeable. Fact number 4 is considered important to election integrity activists only because it seems that the potential for election theft is not enough to motivate most people to demand reform. Since the U.S. population is assured by those in power, most important our national corporate news media, that there has been no evidence of significant election fraud in our country, the motivation for demanding reform is very low. It is generally assumed by the American people that election fraud on a significant scale in the United States is not a plausible threat because their country is a beacon of democracy for the rest of the world. Few are aware that the United States is ranked last among the 47 long established democracies, by the Election Integrity Project founded by the Kennedy School of Government – largely because of its vulnerability to election theft.

The end result is a U.S. government today that can no longer be considered a democracy, is far to the right of the American people, and is woefully unresponsive to their needs or desires. This can only get worse in the absence of a strong effort to correct it.

To give you an idea of how bad it is, a Democratic pollster recently confided that internal polling generally must show a 10-point Democratic lead before a contest is considered even. Professional pollsters use “likely voter” models to adjust for this, so that their polls become more accurate predictors of what will happen on Election Day. The rationale for the “likely voter” models is that the reason that Democrats almost always underperform on Election Day compared to pre-election polls is that Democrats are less likely to vote than Republicans. But statistically, stolen votes have the same effect as voters not showing up to vote. Professional pollsters assume that Democratic underperformance on Election Day compared with polling predictions is due to Democrats not voting, because they do not consider that that underperformance may be due to stolen votes instead.

It must also be noted that Democrats almost always underperform on Election Day compared to exit polls. Nobody can blame this on failure of Democrats to vote, because exit polls are performed only on people who have just voted. So the explanation given to us as to why Democratic candidates almost always underperform relative to exit polls is that exit polls are always biased towards Democrats because Democrats are more likely to participate in exit polls than Republicans. Again, there is a complete unwillingness by our corporate news media to consider or discuss the possibility that Democratic candidate underperformance on Election Day compared to exit polls is due to electronic vote stealing.

Many, including myself, are convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that we have experienced massive electronic election theft in our country over the past couple of decades, and that that is the reason that we now have Donald Trump as our President and a lackey Congress to support him. Many others, most notably our corporate news media and our elected representatives in Congress, either disagree with us on that or choose to remain silent about it. But whether you agree or not that we have experienced massive election theft in our country at the highest levels, I hope that at least we can all agree on the dire need for an accountable and fair voting system, and to act upon that to demand that we get one.

There is no issue facing us today that is even comparable in importance. Not Donald Trump, not anything. All other issues are intimately affected by the integrity of our election system. If it’s not adequately addressed we should not expect things to get any better in our country. They can only get worse.

I am publishing an eight-part series, entitled, “Election Fraud in the United States: 2004 to Present” on the World News Trust website, founded by Democratic Underground members in 2002 and operated since then by Democratic Underground member Tace (Francis Goodwin), with the help of various contributors.

Here are links to the first two parts and a listing of the titles to all 8 parts of my series at World News Trust. We hope you will check them out and provide any feedback, positive or negative, especially suggestions for improvement and what else can be done to address the important issue of election integrity in the United States:

Part I: Vulnerability of Electronic Vote Counting in the United States
Part II: Evidence for Election Fraud in Exit Poll Discrepancies from Official Results
Part III: The Validity of Exit Polls for Monitoring Elections
Part IV: Untimely Deaths Associated with the 2004 Presidential Election
Part V: Disallowed and Corrupted Vote Recounts in Presidential Elections
Part VI: Evidence for Election Fraud in Machine “Glitches”
Part VII: Voter Suppression
Part VIII: The Way Forward

https://worldnewstrust.com/election-fraud-in-the-united-states-2004-to-present-part-i-vulnerability-of-electronic-vote-counting-in-u-s-elections-dale-tavris

https://worldnewstrust.com/election-fraud-in-the-united-states-2004-to-present-part-ii-evidence-for-election-fraud-in-exit-poll-discrepancies-from-official-results-dale-tavris

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And 2016 only emboldened them. sandensea Jun 2018 #1
The fact that Donnie is acting with complete contempt for the majority is a big clue unblock Jun 2018 #2
I try not to say it too often... Hekate Jun 2018 #3
I'm cringing, too.. I don't want to jinx it.. but, this was encouraging Cha Jun 2018 #28
Understood Hekate Jun 2018 #46
I just replied to it.. Cha Jun 2018 #51
K and R for an excellent post pandr32 Jun 2018 #4
I agree padfun Jun 2018 #5
One would think Time for change Jun 2018 #10
ty for ur op questionseverything Jun 2018 #42
more info questionseverything Jun 2018 #43
every election this issue is raised 0rganism Jun 2018 #6
It's ignored because volstork Jun 2018 #17
It's also ignored because we don't do KPN Jun 2018 #25
I know! What is being done about this? I am so frustrated. smirkymonkey Jun 2018 #30
Not sure what the country has done other than make money available to the states. pazzyanne Jun 2018 #35
Thanks for the link! I trust my own state (MA) to do something about it. And most of smirkymonkey Jun 2018 #36
Sadly agree about the red states. pazzyanne Jun 2018 #37
It's ignored because it's nonsense mythology Jun 2018 #55
Please see my Critique of Nate Silver's baseless statements on exit polls Time for change Jun 2018 #86
It is also important to notice that for years repubs have focused on obtaining as many elected or unitedwethrive Jun 2018 #7
I am sure the 'red wave' of which trump speaks includes putin! angstlessk Jun 2018 #8
Thank you. nt PufPuf23 Jun 2018 #9
Good post - thank you. And true to form it is the rethuglicans who cry voter fraud. You know c-rational Jun 2018 #11
K&R G_j Jun 2018 #12
GOTV won't work very well if we don't solve this -- RandomAccess Jun 2018 #13
I voted by paper the last few times. Have not trusted Eva since George Bush. We've burn getting notdarkyet Jun 2018 #16
That's a great start! Time for change Jun 2018 #20
Yes and RandomAccess Jun 2018 #22
Absolutely Time for change Jun 2018 #80
+1000! KPN Jun 2018 #21
+1 uponit7771 Jun 2018 #34
Yep Meowmee Jun 2018 #14
Thanks for this awesome info FakeNoose Jun 2018 #15
K & R Excellent report on a PRIORITY ISSUE, very disturbing esp. appalachiablue Jun 2018 #18
I thoroughly agree with your post. Lonestarblue Jun 2018 #19
Trust Me: The Repukes Stole Ohio and the Election in 2004 ... DoctorJoJo Jun 2018 #23
California law mandates that at least one electronic voting device be available Mr.Bill Jun 2018 #24
Good to see your post Time for change, as always. Ellipsis Jun 2018 #26
Thank you Time for change Jun 2018 #85
The question I keep asking is Perseus Jun 2018 #27
Wouldn't we all like to know! smirkymonkey Jun 2018 #31
Great question. I have long tried to figure out an answer to it. Time for change Jun 2018 #38
Because 🍊💩 and his band of crooks and traitors etc Meowmee Jun 2018 #97
Do you have proof of #2? fallout87 Jun 2018 #29
By # 2 do you mean my claim that the voting machine companies are owned by right wingers? Time for change Jun 2018 #49
also - watch what he gives away to Putin KT2000 Jun 2018 #32
Or if Putin gives him advance details of how the 2018 Midterms Golden Raisin Jun 2018 #54
As a relatively newcomer to the USA - legal citizen - I find the system of elections appalling. BSdetect Jun 2018 #33
Too late. Wednesdays Jun 2018 #77
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jun 2018 #39
Important post. JoeOtterbein Jun 2018 #40
Hmmmm grantcart Jun 2018 #41
This is a really well-researched and well thought out post. I'm glad you took the time... Hekate Jun 2018 #44
I did not claim to present evidence for massive election theft in this post Time for change Jun 2018 #45
In reference to your last sentence: your admiration for Greenwald and Snowden is amazing... Hekate Jun 2018 #47
we are not going to have a discussion because you don't know what a fact is grantcart Jun 2018 #58
I'll repeat it again Time for change Jun 2018 #67
ridiculous assertion, do you even bother to check the numbers for the postulates you make? grantcart Jun 2018 #72
The OP's source doesn't look trustworthy with all that praising of putin Cha Jun 2018 #50
obama's team made a point to count the vote ahead of time questionseverything Jun 2018 #90
As long as the elections are tilted to the right so Grammy23 Jun 2018 #48
exactly; not sure what can be done about it AlexSFCA Jun 2018 #52
K&R for visibility. lunamagica Jun 2018 #53
We should have been concerned about it in 2000 (and many of us were) dflprincess Jun 2018 #56
Without diminishing other urgent national problems and issues Golden Raisin Jun 2018 #57
We have to take care of this. PatrickforO Jun 2018 #59
Then why have the 2017 elections tilted Democratic? Bradshaw3 Jun 2018 #60
Currently the capacity for vote theft is not infinite Time for change Jun 2018 #61
That doesn't really explain the nationwide wins by Democrats Bradshaw3 Jun 2018 #65
Our political climate has been shifted so far right that it is very difficult to tell what elections Time for change Jun 2018 #82
You've made a lot of allegations Bradshaw3 Jun 2018 #83
This OP is an introduction to the series I'm doing at WNT Time for change Jun 2018 #84
i think the reason dems do so well in the current special elections questionseverything Jun 2018 #89
You continue to avoid the fundamental premise. grantcart Jun 2018 #68
I'm talking about exit polls Time for change Jun 2018 #71
lol, you obviously never studied political science grantcart Jun 2018 #73
Repeating corportate media's dismissal of the value of exit polls Time for change Jun 2018 #79
Great Questions grantcart Jun 2018 #63
I think there are issues regarding our voting methods Bradshaw3 Jun 2018 #66
Scientific study on election fraud Time for change Jun 2018 #70
While interesting, that is not an independent, peer-reviewed study Bradshaw3 Jun 2018 #74
On what basis do you say it's not independent or peer reviewed? Time for change Jun 2018 #78
On what basis do you say it is? Bradshaw3 Jun 2018 #81
It was accepted for publication and published in a journal Time for change Jun 2018 #87
I understand the peer review process Bradshaw3 Jun 2018 #88
here are a couple of studies questionseverything Jun 2018 #91
Those aren't peer-reviewed studies Bradshaw3 Jun 2018 #92
Have those results really changed anything? RhodeIslandOne Jun 2018 #93
They could very well be important Bradshaw3 Jun 2018 #94
I was more relieved than happy RhodeIslandOne Jun 2018 #96
Putin wants to make Trump sweat? seriously, just because elections are hackable doesn't mean TheFrenchRazor Jun 2018 #95
RIGHT....ON!! Crutchez_CuiBono Jun 2018 #62
K & R Blue Owl Jun 2018 #64
Election officials will swear their systems are ironclad. lpbk2713 Jun 2018 #69
Each party has the right to observe the testing and clearing of these machines Gothmog Jul 2018 #99
The GOP has hacked DREs for years. Sancho Jun 2018 #75
a lot of dems are in denial about this, and obviously repugs don't care. they'll fight tooth and nai TheFrenchRazor Jun 2018 #76
There are procedures in place in the real world to protect these machines Gothmog Jul 2018 #98
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