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Squinch

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63. Five miles away from Ocasio-Cortez's primary, a long standing old guard Dem won his

Fri Jun 29, 2018, 06:14 AM

Jun 2018

primary in a landslide (Engel.) So I would say Nancy is right. Lets not decide that we need to blow ourselves up. Ocasio-Cortez seems like a great candidate. So is Engel. We need them both.

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'It's not just one district': Ocasio-Cortez pushes back on Pelosi [View all] BeyondGeography Jun 2018 OP

the descriptive word for some top level dems is "ossified" nt msongs Jun 2018 #1

:) 5% of that district's electorate voted. Hortensis Jun 2018 #38

There comes a point, though, where any existing order has to start Buns_of_Fire Jun 2018 #51

Of course, and it should happen in dribbles because of Hortensis Jun 2018 #59

Great example! Eko Jun 2018 #134

That was by design chosen by Party Leadership. They split up primaries in NY fo lower turn out Tom Rinaldo Jun 2018 #87

Sure, and thanks for the discussion. Hortensis Jun 2018 #91

We had split primaries for the first time here in NY last week. lapucelle Jun 2018 #151

Incorrect... brooklynite Jun 2018 #112

I gladly stand correctred. I should not have just accepted an explanation given by Steve Kornaki Tom Rinaldo Jun 2018 #139

That is pitiful. CentralMass Jun 2018 #159

Way to show a unified front, Nancy! leftstreet Jun 2018 #2

Seriously. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2018 #129

Yes, the seasoned Ocasio-Cortez drew an overwhelming voter percentage response. fleabiscuit Jun 2018 #3

+1000 R B Garr Jun 2018 #12

Amazing how the media wants to focus on this race.😡 arthritisR_US Jun 2018 #39

I love Nancy but she is detached AlexSFCA Jun 2018 #4

Did you examine the voter demographics in that district? nt fleabiscuit Jun 2018 #5

it's less relevant than you may think - just look at her opponent AlexSFCA Jun 2018 #6

it was very low turnout and he didn't campaign , similar demographic changes happened in Charlie JI7 Jun 2018 #11

This Meowmee Jun 2018 #17

it kind of felt that way to me also, especially when he didn't seem upset at all that he lost JI7 Jun 2018 #23

Yeah, agree😹 Meowmee Jun 2018 #24

Huh? whathehell Jun 2018 #25

Which Crowley were you looking at? Ninsianna Jun 2018 #30

Lol whathehell Jun 2018 #37

I have no idea what you think you are responding to. Ninsianna Jul 2018 #167

That's unfortunate.. whathehell Jul 2018 #170

He Didn't Even Show Up To All The Debates Me. Jun 2018 #102

If he decided to phone it in exboyfil Jun 2018 #50

For me, the most relevant thing about this race is that the heir apparent to Nancy Pelosi got Midwestern Democrat Jun 2018 #81

In context, it was much higher than other districts Yavin4 Jun 2018 #108

It's more relevant than you may think. Cha Jun 2018 #48

That district was redrawn in 2012. N/T lapucelle Jun 2018 #96

Seems like spliting the primary dates and the resulting low turnout... brush Jun 2018 #152

It was a dismal response by her BeyondGeography Jun 2018 #8

then she should resign and let tim ryan take over AlexSFCA Jun 2018 #9

does Tim Ryan look like drastic change? Not the impression I got from him but maybe JCanete Jun 2018 #20

Maybe drastic change is more about ideas & strategies whathehell Jun 2018 #42

heh...that was what I was referring to though, sorry if that got lost in the question's phrasing. nt JCanete Jun 2018 #43

Good to hear. whathehell Jun 2018 #45

Going bold would require telling all these men who can't win or Ninsianna Jun 2018 #35

Definitely in favor of new strategies and "going bold". whathehell Jun 2018 #40

Fuck that noise. MrsCoffee Jun 2018 #82

weird how he really doesn't seem to be grasping much and keeps Ninsianna Jun 2018 #31

Thank You for all that Reality! I felt like Cha Jun 2018 #52

I don't think Nancy feels "threatened" by Cortez.. Cha Jun 2018 #41

Oh really? BeyondGeography Jun 2018 #61

No, nothing to do with Nancy..and knowing that part of New York pretty well...the Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #64

Yes, really. MrsCoffee Jun 2018 #83

Nancy is a wise, seasoned politician...she has to see the writing on the wall. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2018 #133

She won her last election by 80.9 percent, pnwmom Jun 2018 #49

I know she can still carry Pacific Heights BeyondGeography Jun 2018 #60

"Duh" to you.. Nancy doesn't feel "threatened".. that's Cha Jun 2018 #65

The members of the House choose a leader, and they're smart enough to know pnwmom Jun 2018 #79

They attack her because it works for them BeyondGeography Jun 2018 #80

Many Democrats do though, especially with a chance in Nov... brush Jun 2018 #153

Nancy is elected speaker by her peers in the House. murielm99 Jun 2018 #155

She was for abolishing ICE in a heavily Latino district -- R B Garr Jun 2018 #10

Yes, agreed. I'm all for a progressive wave of people who refuse to take money from big JCanete Jun 2018 #22

Yes, she should refuse all money and do it on her own as that R B Garr Jun 2018 #92

Is she taking money or help from dark money groups like Our Revolution? N/T lapucelle Jun 2018 #97

Actually, it looks like she is getting their help. Great point. Some dark money R B Garr Jun 2018 #118

Cenk is the best "progressive" that Republican money can buy. lapucelle Jun 2018 #141

Wow, what an absolute scam. Funded by Republicans R B Garr Jun 2018 #148

... lapucelle Jun 2018 #149

the problem with money from corporations is that you don't have to be corrupt. I don't know JCanete Jun 2018 #113

You are still insulting people with this contrived scenario. It is implying all kinds of corruption R B Garr Jun 2018 #116

are you trying to tell me money doesn't have an impact? That would be absolutely ridiculous. JCanete Jun 2018 #119

It is meant as an insult. It implies corruption. I am not associated with R B Garr Jun 2018 #120

It is meant to draw a distinction, absolutely. Some I'm sure, believe that if you are taking money, JCanete Jun 2018 #123

I really don't need paragraphs of explanation over something that is contrived R B Garr Jun 2018 #124

Do you really want to get into specifics? There are plenty that can be and have been talked about JCanete Jun 2018 #125

I keep telling you that *I* was called a corporate Dem which made me laugh R B Garr Jun 2018 #126

Well unless you are yourself getting backing that is just really bad shorthand to suggest that JCanete Jun 2018 #127

There you go, they are two separate issues. One is money in politics, which has R B Garr Jun 2018 #132

well I would be very interested to know how you think the distinction should be made, because JCanete Jun 2018 #136

No, I haven't glanced over anything. I said it's divisive to call people names. Now you are R B Garr Jun 2018 #137

no, to some extent we are talking about whether or not a democratic candidate can JCanete Jun 2018 #140

You were just talking about candidates being "bought". R B Garr Jun 2018 #142

I was referring specificaly to republicans in that case. You are right as I've said, saying JCanete Jun 2018 #144

It is not valid to imply people are corrupt with no R B Garr Jun 2018 #145

what is contrived...money in politics? Money affecting who wins in races? Yes, it is very repetative JCanete Jun 2018 #146

Money in politics is a bigger issue than calling R B Garr Jun 2018 #147

Thank you for this insight GaryCnf Jun 2018 #55

Point to where I claimed what you said. I see horrible R B Garr Jun 2018 #89

Your "explanation" for her victory over the DCCC favorite GaryCnf Jun 2018 #100

Cool story! R B Garr Jun 2018 #117

Democratic socialism is much the same as social democracy. Duppers Jun 2018 #16

Yes it is. whathehell Jun 2018 #28

However, a democratic socialist is not the same as a socialist democrat. haele Jun 2018 #110

Excellent! TY! nt Duppers Jun 2018 #111

to your excellent post I will add somewhat comprehensive definitions and bit of a mini-rant Exotica Jun 2018 #114

Who says she can't connect? In 2016 she won 80.9% of the vote in the general. pnwmom Jun 2018 #19

Mahalo, pnwmom.. I just added your info to my Cha Jun 2018 #46

Five miles away from Ocasio-Cortez's primary, a long standing old guard Dem won his Squinch Jun 2018 #63

Good to know.. do you know who Cha Jun 2018 #70

He was running against 3 opponents. . . DinahMoeHum Jun 2018 #73

Mahalo, Dinah! Cha Jun 2018 #75

+1 n/t FSogol Jun 2018 #78

+1,000 InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2018 #130

What's weird is that she did a whole segment R B Garr Jun 2018 #7

it was funny because i remembered them talking about how california had low turnout JI7 Jun 2018 #13

Exactly. They both went on and on about it. R B Garr Jun 2018 #14

this was a safe dem district so it doesn't worry me JI7 Jun 2018 #15

How did it turn out in NY-14? RandySF Jun 2018 #103

Mid terms are historically "low turnout". whathehell Jun 2018 #26

They went way beyond that on Hayes' show. She was talking specifically about R B Garr Jun 2018 #93

I saw the Hayes Show whathehell Jun 2018 #160

They were discussing it in detail. That is way beyond R B Garr Jun 2018 #161

Um, yeah, well .people tend to focus on what they want to hear whathehell Jun 2018 #162

LOL, how typical. R B Garr Jun 2018 #163

LOL, you're so far off the mark.. whathehell Jun 2018 #164

Your "she won" speaks for itself. R B Garr Jun 2018 #165

I saw that, and it wasn't "a whole segment" on low turnout whathehell Jun 2018 #27

Less than 30,000 people.showed up. Ninsianna Jun 2018 #32

she got a total of about 16 thousand votes JI7 Jun 2018 #34

She won by 3k, but this addresses the incredibly low turnout issue how? Ninsianna Jun 2018 #36

Mid terms are almost ALWAYS "incredibly low turnout" whathehell Jun 2018 #44

Everyone here also knows the strange games with the primary elections NY is playing with. Ninsianna Jul 2018 #168

Lol whathehell Jul 2018 #169

Turnout was low, at least in part, because NYS split its primaries. lapucelle Jun 2018 #95

But who turned out? Sanity Claws Jun 2018 #53

"They made a choice in one district." hmmm very interrrresssting.. YOHABLO Jun 2018 #18

Excellent melman Jun 2018 #21

Yes she is. whathehell Jun 2018 #29

Good for her duforsure Jun 2018 #33

Conor Lamb won in a former red district in PA on Cha Jun 2018 #47

K&R. Truth. KY_EnviroGuy Jun 2018 #68

When I saw her... Mike Nelson Jun 2018 #54

Really? What was incorrect? JNelson6563 Jun 2018 #56

Amazing how ratfuckers can make so much of so little. NCTraveler Jun 2018 #57

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I think Nancy can decide that for herself. Cha Jun 2018 #66

How about if we stop playing into the hands of those who Squinch Jun 2018 #62

I know some of us aren't buying what that Cha Jun 2018 #67

+1. The tiresome false "Democrats in Disarray" narrative the pundit class is addicted to emulatorloo Jun 2018 #94

Pelosi is right oberliner Jun 2018 #69

i like nancy and cont to support her samnsara Jun 2018 #71

We will remain a minority party if we ran candidates like Ocasio-Cortez across the board Kaleva Jun 2018 #72

Yes, exactly. But they are a huge asset where we can be sure they will win their district. Squinch Jun 2018 #76

There's a subtle benefit to widening political discourse leftward, but also a risk lostnfound Jun 2018 #86

Ocasio-Cortez will be a great rep for her district and a great asset to the Party Kaleva Jun 2018 #88

K&R.. disillusioned73 Jun 2018 #74

I love what Osacio has done, but Nancy was right, as blunt as she was. bearsfootball516 Jun 2018 #77

Post removed Post removed Jun 2018 #84

Was Dick Gephart inspiring? JHan Jun 2018 #101

The establishment will be in full blown panic mode madville Jun 2018 #85

Pelosi's right, if a little undiplomatic. Orsino Jun 2018 #90

She is likely correct. Caliman73 Jun 2018 #99

We need to be cautious here...the media loves controversy. Caliman73 Jun 2018 #98

excellent point and explains my favorite line from the OP "Someone is coming off as tone deaf... populistdriven Jun 2018 #105

Both of them 'stepped in it' JustAnotherGen Jun 2018 #107

The DCCC won 20 out of 22 races RandySF Jun 2018 #104

Ocasio-Cortez is being naive JustAnotherGen Jun 2018 #106

Simply put, Pelosi does not understand the level of frustration with the status quo before Trump Yavin4 Jun 2018 #109

Oh I think she does. GulfCoast66 Jun 2018 #150

Much ado about nothing in order to sow division. Garrett78 Jun 2018 #115

Post removed Post removed Jun 2018 #156

Go Alexandria Denis 11 Jun 2018 #121

Lots more, yes! Alexandria IS awesome...this is not your grandparent's Democratic Party anymore!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2018 #131

Oops Denis 11 Jul 2018 #166

that 28 yr. bdamomma Jun 2018 #122

Pelosi is keeping calm and moving on. Tatiana Jun 2018 #128

Sorry to burst her bubble, but yes.. it was just one fallout87 Jun 2018 #135

not that we should assume it is a repeat. but DonCoquixote Jun 2018 #138

Pelosi's point was that the results in NY-14 don't have implications for the nation as a whole. Garrett78 Jun 2018 #143

Spot on DFW Jun 2018 #158

Wake up call for the D triple C. sarcasmo Jun 2018 #154

The irony is that she basically ran on identity politics while deploring identity politics. ucrdem Jun 2018 #157

She is correct. whathehell Jul 2018 #171