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planetc

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57. Thanks for your very thoughtful response.
Mon Jul 2, 2018, 09:04 AM
Jul 2018

You ask:

I don't assume a collection of voters who are assumed to be "enemies of the state" will be listened to.
Why should I continue to believe the FBI would listen to these complaints?
Why should I continue to believe the DOJ would bring them to trial?
Why should I continue to believe a GOP controlled congress would do anything to protect systems that could remove them from power?"

And they're all good questions. First, even the GOP can't afford to pretend that we're all "enemies of the state." They have to maintain the pretense of a republic if not a democracy for their own base, so they cannot recommend cancelling elections without backlash from their base, not to mention ours.

As for the FBI and DOJ, I will persist in believing that these organizations can be made to function adequately in a sufficiently serious national crisis, which this would be. The alternative to trusting our own governmental departments is to give up early the pretense that America can fix its own problems. I don't see that as a good strategy. I would rather proceed on the assumption that a definite number of Americans can be shown to have broken existing laws for the purpose of stealing elections. They can be punished, and a new law passed which would protect all general elections. The learning curve during these procedures will be enormous, but enormously rewarding.

And as for a GOP controlled congress, I don't think the fixers can steal every election--they still have to maintain some semblance of real elections. It behooves us Dems, of course, to use the power we would acquire with a Democratic controlled congress to actually do something about this, rather than kicking the can down the road.

If we could rouse the media to talk about this issue as though it really existed, that would be a great help. They will have to be dragged, kicking and screaming, into this story. But they spend a great deal of time congratulating themselves on their vocation to "speak truth to power." Let the media put their jobs and egos where their mouths are.
But..but her emails! lunamagica Jul 2018 #1
and to think they actually said the problem with her emails was that russia might see them. unblock Jul 2018 #2
There's one for that too... PunkinPi Jul 2018 #15
Good reason not to marry someone, bad reason not to vote for the only sane candidate. betsuni Jul 2018 #3
If you don't vote for what you consider "the lesser of two evils" cyclonefence Jul 2018 #4
Invariably world wide wally Jul 2018 #28
exact thinking heaven05 Jul 2018 #5
That's about right paleotn Jul 2018 #6
With all due respect watoos Jul 2018 #7
The other excuse for not voting for Hillary was they didn't like her uponit7771 Jul 2018 #9
Yep uponit7771 Jul 2018 #8
Yeah, she was totally gonna give our country to Wall Street, and drone kids... ehrnst Jul 2018 #10
And how did that work out for you? Raven123 Jul 2018 #11
Yep. THAT'S what has to be asked now. calimary Jul 2018 #23
Why? Demobrat Jul 2018 #37
We can all tailor our language better. At least I can Raven123 Jul 2018 #46
I guess 25 years of Hillary bashing in Congress and in the media Mr. Ected Jul 2018 #12
My friend insists she just didn't trust Hillary. calimary Jul 2018 #17
"Yes, I know. But I just didn't like Hillary" sheshe2 Jul 2018 #13
All that really says is - "I swallowed the crap." calimary Jul 2018 #18
Face down in the Koollaide, yep. sheshe2 Jul 2018 #21
The response is "So you like Trump?" N/t TexasBushwhacker Jul 2018 #19
Unfortunately, there are plenty of women luvtheGWN Jul 2018 #25
Well, she WAS awfully ambitious, you know... EffieBlack Jul 2018 #43
wish I could K&R heaven05 Jul 2018 #14
The Clinton Foundation! Roy Rolling Jul 2018 #16
Which is exactly what independent nonpartisan outfits like calimary Jul 2018 #20
I know we come back to Clinton was going to win exboyfil Jul 2018 #29
Yes, DAMMIT! The bad guys are ALREADY on with ads calimary Jul 2018 #40
yep, she has been under a smear campaign for decades elmac Jul 2018 #22
Kinda how propaganda works... czarjak Jul 2018 #24
What I hear from trump voters.... safeinOhio Jul 2018 #26
2016 will go down in history as the most important election exboyfil Jul 2018 #27
What is the point of doing this? Drahthaardogs Jul 2018 #30
I doubt that there are many if any people who are reading this post that did not vote for Hillary. CentralMass Jul 2018 #31
but but but bengazi AllaN01Bear Jul 2018 #32
People do what they think is best, and sometimes they miss the mark. Move on for God's sake. TryLogic Jul 2018 #33
But you're over it now? MrsCoffee Jul 2018 #38
Nope. Sorry. We will never forget lunamagica Jul 2018 #41
Your need to say you "held your nose" to vote for Hillary shows you haven't moved on EffieBlack Jul 2018 #44
So TryLogic sheshe2 Jul 2018 #53
True, but if they didn't vote for HC because they "just didn't like her" Raven123 Jul 2018 #55
local sunday morning limbaugh station blowhard i was just sampling certainot Jul 2018 #34
Another thing I hate: the Steiners and the Hillary protest non votes and protest votes for .... marble falls Jul 2018 #35
What if all this slushy "thinking" was designed to convice us that she didn't win? planetc Jul 2018 #36
I don't think very many DU folks don't think the election was stolen. plimsoll Jul 2018 #39
I'm not sure what you're concluding here. planetc Jul 2018 #42
I conclude that the country those rules applied to is rapidly disappearing. plimsoll Jul 2018 #49
Thanks for your very thoughtful response. planetc Jul 2018 #57
I think we are closer to agreeing than it appears. plimsoll Jul 2018 #58
K&R mcar Jul 2018 #45
One problem with these threads JI7 Jul 2018 #47
Who can forget? Baclava Jul 2018 #48
Huge crowd, must be dozens... Tom Rinaldo Jul 2018 #50
Yes Tom, so true... but then some never miss an opportunity to divide. InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2018 #51
Scary thing Meowmee Jul 2018 #52
Is it any wonder? They allowed themselves Cha Jul 2018 #54
No one was asked to like her vagina. Orsino Jul 2018 #56
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