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GaryCnf

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Mon Jul 30, 2018, 06:35 PM Jul 2018

Some who had tired of centrist appropriation [View all]

of progressive popularity suggested I make this an OP. Someone posted a poll revealing Obama's political approach to be more favored than the Sanders political approach. Almost immediately it was seized upon as proof of the popularity of establishment politics. Recalling not just 2008, but knowing Obama's 2012-2016 presidency to be a near wholesale rejection of incrementalism, I had to respond (edited slightly):

[What this poll actually asks is] more like [Do you prefer politicians like] the greatest president of our times and a transformative figure in American history or . . . (Insert any name you wish)?

Easy question. It's Obama every time. Now ask the same question but substitute McCaskill, Harris, Biden, or even candidates who are no longer running for office for "Sanders."

[This is] Followed by [the expected dose of] spin trying to portray Barrack as a moderate, establishment Democrat. Obama ran AGAINST a moderate Democrat AND the party establishment in the 2008 primary and beat them into submission. He ran as a progressive agent of change in the 2008 general election.

He compromised toward moderation from 2008-12 because disloyal blue dogs wouldn't get behind the policies he ran on and the Republican caucus had no such loyalty issues when it came to opposing him.

Moderates abandoned him anyway in 2010 and got their heads handed to them and Congress handed to Republicans. The moderates blamed Obama. In 2012, he won a clear majority, not merely a plurality, of the popular vote because the people still believed in him and the people in my community turned out like never before.

From 2012 through 2016, he used the power of the unitary executive to take radically progressive measures that to this day wouldn't get 100% support from our caucus.

Watching the establishment try to appropriate his legacy borders on hilarious, or disgusting.


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Bravo, Gary saidsimplesimon Jul 2018 #1
What nonsense. Liberals have been progressive Hortensis Jul 2018 #2
So you think we have GaryCnf Jul 2018 #3
Myopia is bad in vision and history GulfCoast66 Jul 2018 #54
Best reply on here n/t GaryCnf Jul 2018 #57
"being proud of the true meaning and potential of America Hortensis Jul 2018 #59
I am tired of the Democratic Party ceding the patriotic ground to republicans GulfCoast66 Jul 2018 #64
With you in always striving for a more perfect union, Hortensis Aug 2018 #65
Political appropriation? LOL... Bernie invented progressive taxation LuvLoogie Jul 2018 #4
Lost me 100% Eko Jul 2018 #5
It's not a dirty word GaryCnf Jul 2018 #8
Yes, I like Democrats. Eko Jul 2018 #9
What about this? Eko Jul 2018 #10
And this? Eko Jul 2018 #13
I wonder who said this. Eko Jul 2018 #6
I'll bet it's someone GaryCnf Jul 2018 #15
Well now, it doesnt seem to go well with this thought. Eko Jul 2018 #16
If anything, it seem President Obama's own words Eko Jul 2018 #17
It's EXACTLY what I am saying GaryCnf Jul 2018 #25
So you say this Eko Jul 2018 #26
Limiting yourself to only Obama's second term GaryCnf Jul 2018 #31
Prety sure I showed you lots before he became president Eko Jul 2018 #32
Is this fake? Eko Jul 2018 #28
Or this? Eko Jul 2018 #30
None of these are fake GaryCnf Jul 2018 #38
Prior to becoming president. Eko Jul 2018 #39
I just dont remember abandoning single payer in favor of the ACA being the progressive Eko Jul 2018 #41
Okay now I feel stupid GaryCnf Jul 2018 #44
Nope, I dont play the game Eko Jul 2018 #46
I don't blame you GaryCnf Jul 2018 #47
Was he progressive? Eko Jul 2018 #49
I will work on the term GaryCnf Aug 2018 #70
You misstated the poll question and assumed facts not in evidence. lapucelle Jul 2018 #7
We don't disagree GaryCnf Jul 2018 #11
We don't know the reason why Obama-like congressional candidates were preferred. lapucelle Jul 2018 #33
Once again GaryCnf Jul 2018 #37
You're trying to refute a claim that you are characterizing lapucelle Jul 2018 #50
I won't argue about that either GaryCnf Jul 2018 #51
Why does the phrase "GRU Bot" come to mind? jpak Jul 2018 #12
Why does the phrase GaryCnf Jul 2018 #18
Because I see this kind of shit in US newspaper comment sections every day. jpak Jul 2018 #21
Or GaryCnf Jul 2018 #34
You posted a divisive thread and fill it with bullshit jpak Jul 2018 #36
Yup. Eko Jul 2018 #43
A pet peeve of mine is the constant misuse of the word, "Bot." Oneironaut Jul 2018 #53
The three 2008 Democratic candidates. lapucelle Jul 2018 #14
Nice chart GaryCnf Jul 2018 #19
In the Kremlin jpak Jul 2018 #22
I don't know who "your guy" is. N/T lapucelle Jul 2018 #35
Let me clarify GaryCnf Jul 2018 #40
Transcended politics? Eko Jul 2018 #45
Maybe GaryCnf Jul 2018 #48
While the Obama message transcended politics, the candidate himself lapucelle Jul 2018 #62
Then "your guy" is there. lapucelle Jul 2018 #52
Link? jpak Jul 2018 #23
"It doesn't matter if a cat is black or white; as long as it catches mice, it's a good cat." DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2018 #20
Truth GaryCnf Jul 2018 #27
Some of y'all gonna be arguing nonsense as the Trumpies march you to the shooting pits markses66 Jul 2018 #24
Great Point! JoeOtterbein Jul 2018 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author Squinch Jul 2018 #42
... SidDithers Jul 2018 #55
In terms of policy positions, there was almost no difference between Obama and Clinton. Garrett78 Jul 2018 #56
Do you remember the 2008 primaries? GaryCnf Jul 2018 #58
Yes. Obama won for reasons other than policy differences. Garrett78 Jul 2018 #63
But wait. I thought Obama was "establishment." betsuni Jul 2018 #60
See what happens when you GaryCnf Jul 2018 #61
What was it from 2012-16 that were "radically progressive measures"? muriel_volestrangler Aug 2018 #66
Healthcare was indeed before 2012 GaryCnf Aug 2018 #67
I don't see the DOMA or Obergefell actions and inactions as 'radical' muriel_volestrangler Aug 2018 #68
To be on the progressive side of our EU brethren GaryCnf Aug 2018 #69
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