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H2O Man

(73,543 posts)
Sun Aug 5, 2018, 12:00 PM Aug 2018

In Cold Blood [View all]

As we watch the melt-down of Donald Trump via twitter and rallies, it may be worthwhile to consider something that a retired federal prosecutor recently explained on the news. He was taking part in a discussion on the differences between interrogating a “common” criminal versus a “con man.” Most criminals, he noted, recognize that they are outlaws. This is like John Dillinger, who believed that robbing banks was his job, and the police's job was to catch him.

Once caught, common criminals tend to do one of two things: the weaker ones rat out others to try to get a reduced sentence, while those who subscribe to the criminal code of conduct accept their fate. In modern times – and this is pre-DSM 5's shift for insurance coverage – these people were labeled with “anti-social personality disorder.” A few of these criminals have been able to rise to powerful positions in mainstream society before being unmasked as common criminals. Richard Nixon is a fine example.

The retired prosecutor explained that these people are far easier to interview, and break, than those known as “con men” or related terms. For these “con men” are convinced that they can lie their way out of any situation. Their confidence in their ability to manipulate is rooted in years of experience. This includes a belief that they can out-smart anyone by way of spontaneously lying off the top of their heads.

These are known as sociopaths (or psychopaths, depending upon if one separates genetics from environmental factors). Years ago, when I did an in-service training at my place of employment on sociopaths, I used a section from the book “In Cold Blood” to illustrate sociopathy in action. First published in 1966, this was the best-selling “true crime” book until Vincent Bugliosi published “Helter Skelter”; it remains the second best-seller today.

In it, Truman Capote tells the story of the murder of the Herb Clutter family in rural Kansas, a vicious crime that shocked the nation. There is a part where the two men who commit the murders go shopping. Perry is the classic anti-social, and Dick is the sociopath. In business after business, Dick is able to evaluate and then manipulate the clerks into literally giving them “free stuff,” that he has no intention of ever paying for. This is the approach a sociopath takes when being interviewed by an investigator – rapid evaluations that lead to attempts to manipulate in an manner aimed at not paying for one's crimes.

It's worth briefly considering part of the book “Helter Skelter,” too. When Charlie recognizes the gig is up, what does he do? He convinces some of his “family” – in this case, all females – to try to both take the fall for the crimes, and to implicate other men. But not Charlie. Sociopaths manipulate anti-socials.

This brings us to the question: is Trump mentally ill? As is well-documented in Bandy Lee's book, “The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump,” the president is a classic sociopath. This is a personality type, distinct from a mental illness. It involves brain structures, and this is why normal people often describe sociopaths as “cold-blooded” and reptilian. At the same time, it is accurate to say that a sociopath under extreme pressure can experience episodes of psychosis – or breaks from reality. Hence, the current melt-down, in which the sick puppy attempts to manipulate reality.

Does Trump really want to talk to Mr. Mueller? Does he really believe he can convince Mr. Mueller that the investigation is a witch hunt? I think that part of him does. But the other part of him is scared shitless.

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In Cold Blood [View all] H2O Man Aug 2018 OP
Man could Capote write underpants Aug 2018 #1
Who is Jelly? nt tblue37 Aug 2018 #4
Meant Gen. Kelly underpants Aug 2018 #6
Shoulda Left it. Gen Jelly has a ring to it. JDC Aug 2018 #37
FYI - Sundance has produced a documentary series called "Cold Blooded" TexasBushwhacker Aug 2018 #5
It's interesting that H2O Man Aug 2018 #7
Bingo! canetoad Aug 2018 #35
I was thinking earlier today about General Kelly. Blue_true Aug 2018 #39
I think it's the latter underpants Aug 2018 #41
You could be right. nt Blue_true Aug 2018 #42
Still the former seems like a bonus to him exboyfil Aug 2018 #52
'Man, H2O can write' empedocles Aug 2018 #51
Excellent. Would loved to have heard/read Capote's take on trump. Hoyt Aug 2018 #2
Me, too. H2O Man Aug 2018 #8
I agree. "In Cold Blood" is probably my favorite book and the film was quite good. Hoyt Aug 2018 #11
Yikes! H2O Man Aug 2018 #17
That's why Carson had him on a lot underpants Aug 2018 #43
Good point. That's where I first saw Capote, although had read Hoyt Aug 2018 #44
Capote said of Perry, coeur_de_lion Aug 2018 #34
My eyes still get a little wet at the end of the movie Hoyt Aug 2018 #45
I was too! coeur_de_lion Aug 2018 #46
Your analytical comparison of DT & Dick Hickock is interesting - charming sociopaths - gift of gab AnotherMother4Peace Aug 2018 #3
Right, right! H2O Man Aug 2018 #9
I vaguely recall that scene, as they were hitching rides or stealing cars to from US to Mexico. AnotherMother4Peace Aug 2018 #36
Sociopaths manipulate anti-socials Nasruddin Aug 2018 #10
For many years, H2O Man Aug 2018 #12
+1. dalton99a Aug 2018 #15
Makes sense. Blue_true Aug 2018 #40
another example of a sociopathic, psychopathic criminal elmac Aug 2018 #13
Thank you! H2O Man Aug 2018 #19
You're welcome elmac Aug 2018 #24
Sounds very interesting. H2O Man Aug 2018 #28
Thanks, I will check that out. Cool about your uncle, elmac Aug 2018 #31
Great post. dalton99a Aug 2018 #14
Thanks, dalton99a! H2O Man Aug 2018 #20
A good interview of a psychiatrists opinion of trump duforsure Aug 2018 #16
Fantastic! H2O Man Aug 2018 #21
I agree with this, to the extent I know anything about the brain or psychopathic issues. Honeycombe8 Aug 2018 #18
Right. H2O Man Aug 2018 #22
Thanks for noticing! Honeycombe8 Aug 2018 #27
Yes, it is true H2O Man Aug 2018 #29
Very interesting. Honeycombe8 Aug 2018 #38
You and H2O Man are giving me a lot to think about. I don't know when I pegged him as an abusive SOB Hekate Aug 2018 #49
Not enough people are aware of this. Pacifist Patriot Aug 2018 #57
Scared shitless is kind malaise Aug 2018 #23
Thanks! H2O Man Aug 2018 #25
I almost mentioned malaise Aug 2018 #26
Great minds H2O Man Aug 2018 #30
I'm sure of that malaise Aug 2018 #32
K&R... spanone Aug 2018 #33
Thinking about our pal donald coeur_de_lion Aug 2018 #47
+1, his episodes of psychosis are increasing and its showing in public. uponit7771 Aug 2018 #50
Do you think that Putin exboyfil Aug 2018 #53
Maybe not coeur_de_lion Aug 2018 #54
I just hope the hell he can be got out of there before he nukes something to change the subject... Hekate Aug 2018 #48
I don't think he wants to talk to Mueller . . . I agree he is scared s***less DrDan Aug 2018 #55
Reading this fine post makes me miss another writer/journalist. peekaloo Aug 2018 #56
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