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babylonsister

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Mon Aug 13, 2018, 07:02 PM Aug 2018

Charles P. Pierce: You Want Nancy Pelosi Out? Find Somebody Better. [View all]



https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a22718149/nancy-pelosi-democratic-leader-replace-campaign/

You Want Nancy Pelosi Out? Find Somebody Better.
And before all that, give an accurate accounting of her not-inconsiderable accomplishments.
By Charles P. Pierce
Aug 13, 2018


All right, if we must, let's talk about Nancy Pelosi. She is in the unenviable position of being both the perfect target for the lower forms of algae who comprise the Republican base and the people who pander to them, as well as being one of the Democrats' most formidable fundraisers and (perhaps) the greatest Democratic legislative leader since Sam Rayburn and Lyndon Johnson. Texans, as the traitor R.E. Lee once said, always move them.

So there is more than a little talk of replacing her as a potential Speaker if her party retakes the majority in the House in November. But we must have some parameters for our discussion, so here they are:

1) This is not an excuse to re-litigate the 2016 Democratic presidential primaries. Get over yourselves.

2) "We need new blood" is not, in and of itself, dispositive, in that it's one of those things on which Democrats tie themselves in knots while Republicans are perfectly willing to leave the Senate Judiciary Committee in the hands of Chuck Grassley, who is 236 years old.

3) We have to have a good-faith stipulation of Pelosi's not inconsiderable accomplishments.


For example, not a single Democratic member of the House voted for any of the schemes to repeal the Affordable Care Act, nor for the ludicrous tax package that the president* signed into law. Red state, blue state—in the House, it didn't matter, because Nancy Pelosi held her caucus together. That takes a kind of otherworldly political skill, considering that Chuck Schumer is forever calculating which of his senators he can afford to lose while waiting patiently for Susan Collins to sell someone out again.

Pelosi's performance since Camp Runamuck opened for business not only has been a masterclass in how to manage the limited power of a legislative minority, but also it has given all Democratic House candidates, both incumbents and non-incumbents, a consistent platform on which to run. As Speaker, let us recall, she helped shepherd through the most significant social program passed by Congress since Medicare and Medicaid, and then, as minority leader, she held her caucus unanimous in its support.

She is not incorrect to point out that a lot of the criticism aimed at her is both ageist and sexist, and that's where a lot of this new blood business comes in. Pelosi can fairly be criticized for not grooming young leadership to succeed her, but, you'll have to forgive her, she was busy trying to keep the Republicans from selling off the Grand Canyon to Exxon, and from turning Social Security into a Keno parlor. I would point out, however, that the problem of new leadership is solving itself, both in elections to the House and in the election of state legislators around the country.

If Pelosi had allowed her caucus in the House to split on the ACA or on tax-cuts, a lot of those Democrats would have had a harder push in their elections. I would argue, for example, that Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has had an easier time selling Medicare For All because the ACA was still largely intact—unless you're one of those heighten-the-contradictions dopes who would prefer to have the whole system fail, and to have people sicken and die while you build something else from the bottom up that no Republican ever would approve.

No, if you're going to convince me on Nancy Pelosi, you're going to have to come up with a better argument than the fact that she's old. This is a pivot point in history. Who are the alternatives? Tim Ryan? Seth Moulton? If you want to see all hell break loose in the Democratic caucus, put a white male into the Speakership after showing Pelosi the door. I heard someone mention Hakeem Jeffries of New York, whom I find intriguing, but the fact remains that a new Democratic majority is going to have to be the primary brake on a renegade presidency on every issue from healthcare, to congressional oversight, to a possible impeachment. I know who I want whipping votes if the latter comes to pass.
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Hear, Hear! smirkymonkey Aug 2018 #1
Russia invades Florida registration roles and now registered democrats down 2% onit2day Aug 2018 #52
Exactly DownriverDem Aug 2018 #57
K&R Docreed2003 Aug 2018 #2
Beautiful! Thanks for posting. Nt spooky3 Aug 2018 #3
I know, lets push her out and put someone in with NO experience but tons of Eliot Rosewater Aug 2018 #4
Fuck the Republicans. Our Speaker is not their choice. Autumn Aug 2018 #5
Exactly. stuffmatters Aug 2018 #9
You now who really wants Nancy gone? Republicans GopherGal Aug 2018 #38
K&R. n/t FSogol Aug 2018 #6
K&R brer cat Aug 2018 #7
Got. THat. Right. lindysalsagal Aug 2018 #8
Pelosi must stay marieo1 Aug 2018 #10
Could not agree more! pazzyanne Aug 2018 #11
Please educate me on the following: theaocp Aug 2018 #12
Privatizing Social Security has long been the dream of the GOP. Older Than I Look Aug 2018 #15
That's fine, but what has Pelosi done, relating to the OP? theaocp Aug 2018 #26
This might help, and I google everything! babylonsister Aug 2018 #30
Thank you! theaocp Aug 2018 #33
Here's a good resource for Pelosi and the environment... babylonsister Aug 2018 #19
That's a great reference and should be availabe to all. Thanks! theaocp Aug 2018 #23
I agree with this worstexever Aug 2018 #13
YES! Hekate Aug 2018 #14
Post removed Post removed Aug 2018 #16
I'd like new leadership, but I'm not sure that's a fair criticism Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2018 #32
No she didn't. summer_in_TX Aug 2018 #34
Thank you. I am sick of this particular grievance. No one can manufacture votes out of thin air. nt Hekate Aug 2018 #35
+1000. Hortensis Aug 2018 #40
Thank you! wryter2000 Aug 2018 #53
And, there would have never been a President Obama. n/t jaysunb Aug 2018 #55
How did she "allow" bush to get away with murder? That's a mighty rash accusation. George II Aug 2018 #49
I think Pelosi is awesome and I want her to be Speaker FakeNoose Aug 2018 #17
Jesus. Christ. You think nobody is being "mentored" or "delegated to"? That she is somehow... Hekate Aug 2018 #36
Plenty of people are being mentored and are learning the ropes, but you know who isn't? EffieBlack Aug 2018 #39
Exactly. Good people are always being brought along. Hortensis Aug 2018 #41
Excellent Post Me. Aug 2018 #51
+1000 brer cat Aug 2018 #58
Why would you think that this is not happening? (nt) ehrnst Aug 2018 #72
K&f'ing R! mcar Aug 2018 #18
I enjoyed the dig at Schumer and Collins. NBachers Aug 2018 #20
Beautifully reasoned and written. Thank you. brush Aug 2018 #21
Oh look, a shiny distraction ... GeorgeGist Aug 2018 #22
What, pray tell, do you mean? babylonsister Aug 2018 #25
Preach it, Rev! defacto7 Aug 2018 #24
Every word. n/t necessary. Guilded Lilly Aug 2018 #27
Kick. Squinch Aug 2018 #28
Shared on Facebook and Twitter. GoneOffShore Aug 2018 #29
Dear Charles: Will you be my boyfriend? Because I think I'm in love with you. EffieBlack Aug 2018 #31
What you said, Effie Hekate Aug 2018 #37
I'm with you wryter2000 Aug 2018 #54
I'm heartbroken.... jaysunb Aug 2018 #56
+1000 happy feet Aug 2018 #61
++++THIS!!! nt heaven05 Aug 2018 #42
BRAVO!!! JaneQPublic Aug 2018 #43
K&R geardaddy Aug 2018 #44
Well said as usual, Charlie. Paladin Aug 2018 #45
Change just for the sake of change got us Trump... Wounded Bear Aug 2018 #46
Thank you Mr. Pierce! lark Aug 2018 #47
Damn right!!! n/t Brainstormy Aug 2018 #48
Preach Charlie! lillypaddle Aug 2018 #50
When she was speaker she never once got caught with her pants down like Boehner routinely did. calimary Aug 2018 #59
+1 oasis Aug 2018 #63
K&R happy feet Aug 2018 #60
Pierce is right Progressive dog Aug 2018 #62
K & R SunSeeker Aug 2018 #64
Worry about getting Trump out! samplegirl Aug 2018 #65
If it ain't broke, don't try to fix it.... NT N_E_1 for Tennis Aug 2018 #66
I believe some have. But "better" is subjective, isn't it? Honeycombe8 Aug 2018 #67
I'm sure she learned. summer_in_TX Aug 2018 #68
Everyone knew or suspected that Trump couldn't be trusted. Except her & Schumer. Honeycombe8 Aug 2018 #70
Preach it, Brother Pierce! peggysue2 Aug 2018 #69
On the nose. (nt) ehrnst Aug 2018 #71
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