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38. I agree with you, but good luck arguing with this bunch

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I can't understand why the Nazi Party - the Nationalist Socialist party -- [View all] pnwmom Aug 2018 OP

You might as well say that we can't use the word "patriotism" because it's been ruined forever DavidDvorkin Aug 2018 #1

Patriotism still has a meaning -- a loyalty to country. Socialism has no accepted meaning. pnwmom Aug 2018 #3

Robert Jensen's deconstruction of patriotism: Garrett78 Aug 2018 #8

I've seen the word "chair" deconstructed. Igel Aug 2018 #21

Read the piece. The concept falls apart no matter how you define it. Garrett78 Aug 2018 #24

+1 ck4829 Aug 2018 #52

As it is used by the right in this country, socialism is an epithet... Thomas Hurt Aug 2018 #2

Yeah, kinda like "Democratic" and "Republic"! ret5hd Aug 2018 #4

Don't forget Iraq's Republican Army world wide wally Aug 2018 #10

"Democratic" and "Republic" still have accepted meanings -- they are not meaningless terms pnwmom Aug 2018 #12

Peoples Democratic Republic of Korea... Wounded Bear Aug 2018 #13

The difference is simple. Igel Aug 2018 #22

My libertarian friend posed this very argument to me last week... Dennis Donovan Aug 2018 #5

Funny isn't it? melman Aug 2018 #17

"National Socialist German Workers Party" was a clever appropriation. lapucelle Aug 2018 #6

Precisely. Socialism was very popular in the thirties. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2018 #16

I think the idea of socialism is what may have been popular. N/T lapucelle Aug 2018 #19

Yes. That's why Hitler appropriated the term. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2018 #20

How about "doubleplusliberal?" n/t Harker Aug 2018 #7

"not like "socialist" is the only word that could be used to describe a Nordic-style safety net" Garrett78 Aug 2018 #9

I've been preaching this for a long time Lee-Lee Aug 2018 #44

Not to mention what nazi and communist did to the word party. Sneederbunk Aug 2018 #11

Just goes to show that extremism... Wounded Bear Aug 2018 #14

The party was originally a workers' party. displacedtexan Aug 2018 #15

Your "concern" is duly noted. (n/t) vi5 Aug 2018 #18

This right wing argument was crap 30 years ago. Voltaire2 Aug 2018 #23

The rightwing Nazis weren't making this argument. Why are some people pnwmom Aug 2018 #25

Why are you so terrified of the left wing of our party? Voltaire2 Aug 2018 #30

Maybe you're right Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #26

Only right wing idiots connect the word socialism to Hitler or Stalin or USSR. aidbo Aug 2018 #27

I don't think that many connect socialism with Nazi Germany and communist Soviet Union. Kaleva Aug 2018 #28

Does 'socialism' include Medicare For All? leftstreet Aug 2018 #29

'The word "socialist" has so many meanings it is essentially meaningless' melman Aug 2018 #31

Well...uhhhmmm...uhhhhh... ret5hd Aug 2018 #33

"Nazis Are Not Socialists Nor Democrats Despite What Alt-Right Might Say" Older Than I Look Aug 2018 #32

I don't understand why capitalism SkyDancer Aug 2018 #34

Is there a party of Democratic Capitalists? I wasn't aware of one. pnwmom Aug 2018 #35

Well as a DSA member SkyDancer Aug 2018 #40

Then you are being honest. But I have talked to many who claim they are pnwmom Aug 2018 #69

Here is the problem SkyDancer Aug 2018 #72

DSA, of course, is not a party. David__77 Aug 2018 #71

You are correct SkyDancer Aug 2018 #73

You're right, it bills itself as "the largest socialist organization in the US." pnwmom Aug 2018 #75

I disagree with the premise of your question. David__77 Aug 2018 #79

"Socialism" is surviving a school shooting or just not acting like a sociopath - Today's RW ck4829 Aug 2018 #36

Why do we need to accept the definition held by the worst of America? No, thanks. pnwmom Aug 2018 #39

We need to start labeling republicans fascists scarytomcat Aug 2018 #64

It HAS and IS mostly viewed in a Negative Way JI7 Aug 2018 #37

It's a generational thing SkyDancer Aug 2018 #41

no they don't JI7 Aug 2018 #42

Yes they do SkyDancer Aug 2018 #46

that article claims they don't know what it means JI7 Aug 2018 #50

Again, millennials preder socialism SkyDancer Aug 2018 #56

it uses the same shit which says they don't know what socialism is JI7 Aug 2018 #65

Gallup & PEW says.. SkyDancer Aug 2018 #74

Most millennials cant actually define the socialism they claim to prefer Lee-Lee Aug 2018 #45

Where's you get that figure? SkyDancer Aug 2018 #47

Talking to a lot of them. Lee-Lee Aug 2018 #51

I haven't heard a millennial use the word socialist, ever. pwb Aug 2018 #49

The fact is SkyDancer Aug 2018 #54

I have some guesses about you too. pwb Aug 2018 #55

Why are you so scared of the left SkyDancer Aug 2018 #57

You hit the nail on the head. pwb Aug 2018 #61

Do you honestly realize what you're saying? SkyDancer Aug 2018 #62

I am not saying anything, I'm typing. pwb Aug 2018 #63

When you have no argument SkyDancer Aug 2018 #80

+1, "socialism" is pragmatic ck4829 Aug 2018 #58

I agree with you, but good luck arguing with this bunch Hekate Aug 2018 #38

If you have a particular word that you favor Harker Aug 2018 #43

They have ruined it. Thats why it doesn't help us to use it? pwb Aug 2018 #48

Thom Hartman had a great point recently... disillusioned73 Aug 2018 #53

not sure which way to go with this.... Locrian Aug 2018 #59

It means government owning the means of production treestar Aug 2018 #60

Socialist true believers co-opted "progressive" mathematic Aug 2018 #66

Maybe we should not argue over labels and instead argue facts. Pointing out the wealth of Americans jalan48 Aug 2018 #67

An updated number from this year. jalan48 Aug 2018 #68

I agree that the facts are most important. Unfortunately, DT has shown pnwmom Aug 2018 #78

"But Hitler was a socialist too." redgreenandblue Aug 2018 #70

The Nationalist Socialist Party was the official name of the Nazis. My point is that the word pnwmom Aug 2018 #77

Generally, people understand how/why the Nazis appropriated the label TubbersUK Aug 2018 #76