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Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
12. The figures presented are for Florida alone and do not address
Thu Aug 30, 2018, 08:25 PM
Aug 2018

the main issue we're discussing -- the contention that moderates are leaving the Democratic Party. The unstated assumption seems to be that the party is becoming too extreme for moderates, which is not supported by any experts. This IS consonant, however, with right-wing racist propaganda being hit extremely hard in this election season.

Which, again, is why I ask where you're getting this idea from. Again, the only ex- Democrats I've read about who claim the party is too extreme are those who left to support white supremacy, most favoring continued male supremacy as well.

So, if there is any truth to your contention, please explain. I've crossed the ballot many times over the decades to vote for good public servants regardless of party affiliation, but true independents are very rare and I don't call myself one.

Thank goodness ex- Republicans are slightly less likely to support their party's positions, something of a rejection of indecency and intense corruption, but by far most right-leading "independents have still been reliably voting Republican. On the Democratic side, there is no vicious indecency or significant corruption to flee; but whatever the motivations, most still also just vote as they would have before. In other words, for large majorities calling themselves independent, it's just a pose with no substance. Most have still voted Republicans and Democrat, the only thing that really counts.

Wow, what a biased headline. Andrew Gillum is NOT Hortensis Aug 2018 #1
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Me. Aug 2018 #28
:) Jonathan Capehart has an excellent op piece on Gillum Hortensis Sep 2018 #29
I Do Remember Me. Sep 2018 #30
The Repubs' and Russia's ongoing and un-rejected Hortensis Sep 2018 #31
SNAP Hortensis Me. Sep 2018 #32
You're right. Sanders had little to do with his success ... dawg Sep 2018 #33
I am getting so tired PatSeg Sep 2018 #35
Gillum is not the "far left." Sheesh. SunSeeker Aug 2018 #2
Don't consider Gillum "far left", he's left of center. I octoberlib Aug 2018 #3
leftwing means 'needs of the many' pretzel4gore Aug 2018 #6
You think Stalin cared about the needs of the many? mythology Aug 2018 #15
Post removed Post removed Aug 2018 #22
Are you seriously defending Stalin? yardwork Aug 2018 #17
Post removed Post removed Aug 2018 #18
that's some top tier whataboutism right there. JHan Aug 2018 #23
Stalin was a violent, cruel sociopath PatSeg Sep 2018 #36
It's really not that complicated genxlib Aug 2018 #4
Are Dem-leaning indies complaining there are no moderate candidates? Hortensis Aug 2018 #7
I haven't heard any specific complaints genxlib Aug 2018 #9
But moderate Dems have NOT been "removing themselves Hortensis Aug 2018 #10
Actually, the trend is towards Independants genxlib Aug 2018 #11
The figures presented are for Florida alone and do not address Hortensis Aug 2018 #12
I am not sure what you are disagreeing with genxlib Aug 2018 #16
What evidence do you have for the claim that primary voters are further left/right than average? Garrett78 Aug 2018 #20
... Me. Sep 2018 #34
Independents are neither moderate nor swing voters. Garrett78 Aug 2018 #13
If people really care about who a Democratic or republican candidate should be in an election..... George II Aug 2018 #24
70% Dem and 51% R support M4A, 61% Americans support legalizing marijuana, Nanjeanne Aug 2018 #5
"and it's the media who are far off." Spot on! Hortensis Aug 2018 #8
See post #14. The media lives for making false equivalencies. Garrett78 Aug 2018 #21
I started a thread a while back asking what constitutes "far left." Garrett78 Aug 2018 #14
Jesus Fucking Christ ismnotwasm Aug 2018 #19
I can imagine the meeting is going to be like this: Initech Aug 2018 #25
Far left? I heard Gillum the other day and his platform sounds like what a majority rurallib Aug 2018 #26
Geez, I was having a calm wind down Friday after a stressful week. Blue_true Aug 2018 #27
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