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Zalatix

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74. They're being used as pools of cheap labor. You keep denying this. Why is that?

Reply to joshcryer (Reply #72)

Sun Aug 12, 2012, 03:57 AM

Aug 2012

Perhaps you want people to be paid less?

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The H1B issue: Yes, American workers, YOU DO QUALIFY FOR THAT JOB. [View all] Zalatix Aug 2012 OP

K&R baldguy Aug 2012 #1

Du rec. Nt xchrom Aug 2012 #2

The video at the end is the end all to the H1 argument, these companies are taught NOT TO HIRE uponit7771 Aug 2012 #3

I was a hiring manager Indian Invasion Oct 2012 #134

Are you saying that you paid Americans a different salary for the same job Ms. Toad Oct 2012 #135

I am indian loansstore Aug 2012 #4

I'd ask where you're posting from if you didn't get a visa, but... JHB Aug 2012 #5

There could be a number of factors for this including the Obama admin catching on to H1B visa issues uponit7771 Aug 2012 #17

It has, and always will be about procuring cheap labor, laws are meant to be sidelined by the new mother earth Aug 2012 #6

There is NO shortage of qualified americans, only a corporate desire to pay less than market rates on point Aug 2012 #7

Reminds me of a person who murdered his parents and ... twins.fan Aug 2012 #42

Corporations are bringing in cheap, cheap labor because the only organization fasttense Aug 2012 #8

"Most of those H1B laborers got their education tuition free." abelenkpe Aug 2012 #26

Nurses were pointing this out..... AnneD Aug 2012 #9

+1 uponit7771 Aug 2012 #18

Nice work, Zalatix. K&R. Brickbat Aug 2012 #10

Nicely done ChromeFoundry Aug 2012 #11

Work Visa Programs Like H-1B Target Experienced Americans Dr Gene Nelson Aug 2012 #12

Welcome to DU Ruby the Liberal Aug 2012 #29

good post eShirl Aug 2012 #108

Excellent post. 99Forever Aug 2012 #13

H1Bs have to be paid the Prevailing Wage treestar Aug 2012 #14

And if you put a tooth under your pillow, you'll get a shiny nickel!! jeff47 Aug 2012 #20

*crickets* Zalatix Aug 2012 #23

Prevailing wage is the one published by the DOL and freely available online WilmywoodNCparalegal Aug 2012 #25

Here's the key parts jeff47 Aug 2012 #43

You've already been shown proof in the OP that you are flat-out wrong. Zalatix Aug 2012 #22

Funny abelenkpe Aug 2012 #27

Except that's not what's happening. Did you read the links in the OP and in the thread, btw? sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #36

Post #34 is further proof that H1Bs are underpaid. Do you have any counter-evidence? Zalatix Aug 2012 #54

So funny, it's sad. SteveSmithCharlotte Aug 2012 #59

jsut like gkr Sep 2012 #131

Hey, where'd ya go? Union Scribe Aug 2012 #90

HA! eShirl Aug 2012 #109

K & R AzDar Aug 2012 #15

H1B or how to filp a page in a manual without the caller hearing DainBramaged Aug 2012 #16

I work in an IT field OnionPatch Aug 2012 #19

+1 sarcasmo Aug 2012 #31

you are right on the money gkr Sep 2012 #132

Well Said and Agreed OhioChick Aug 2012 #21

Lots of inaccuracies about H-1Bs and a general misunderstanding of how the legal immigration process WilmywoodNCparalegal Aug 2012 #24

Thanks for an informed post. But I'm not sure it disproves the claims that sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #38

Could you at least be consistent when trying to justify destroying my profession? jeff47 Aug 2012 #45

same here Panasonic Aug 2012 #49

you are missing out gkr Sep 2012 #133

Yes, lots of inaccuracies and many of them coming from you. n/t Egalitarian Thug Aug 2012 #47

Well done! Ruby the Liberal Aug 2012 #28

I would bet that master's or phd degrees in engineering are not needed for many of those "jobs". L0oniX Aug 2012 #30

Take a look SteveSmithCharlotte Aug 2012 #60

Great post Zalatix twins.fan Aug 2012 #32

Welcome to DU twins.fan sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #37

Dice has been at the veyr center of this scam since its inception. Egalitarian Thug Aug 2012 #48

Thanks for the info, I had never heard of it. sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #51

Strictly IT, or at least used to be. And you're always welcome. n/t Egalitarian Thug Aug 2012 #52

Wow! And Welcome to DU! Zalatix Aug 2012 #53

Cannot issue private message twins.fan Aug 2012 #55

An IT labor economics lesson from Memphis for IBM antigop Aug 2012 #33

The underpayment of H-1Bs is well-established fact, not rumor, anecdote or ideology. antigop Aug 2012 #34

Are H-1B Workers Getting Bilked? twins.fan Aug 2012 #56

Relative to their home country, no bilking. Relative to US workers, yes. (nt) jeff47 Aug 2012 #61

Patni is from a country whose corruption is legendary twins.fan Aug 2012 #62

I'm speaking more of the opportunity to the specific worker jeff47 Aug 2012 #64

Bingo! rock Aug 2012 #35

kicked southmost Aug 2012 #39

K&R Don't forget the ever-popular change the job title strategy. Egalitarian Thug Aug 2012 #40

K&R for the excellent rebuttal and bullship cleanup duty. n/t pa28 Aug 2012 #41

HB-1's also point to the nasty side of Corps Hydra Aug 2012 #44

Yes the corporations are nasty, but so are their proxies twins.fan Aug 2012 #63

Damn Straight. It's about time we started putting Americans first. American Made Aug 2012 #46

We are the only ones who can change it too! twins.fan Aug 2012 #65

The Labor Party is Dead..eom pipoman Aug 2012 #50

Lying and cheating. SouthAsian59 Aug 2012 #57

There's always at least one in every crowd SteveSmithCharlotte Aug 2012 #58

I totally agree. Thank You agent zero Aug 2012 #66

Racism masked as "Dey took er jobs!" boppers Aug 2012 #67

Enough with the anti-American worker bigotry. Those jobs belong to us. Period. Dot. Stop. Zalatix Aug 2012 #68

Ahh, ultra-nationalism. joshcryer Aug 2012 #69

What is your problem with American workers having jobs, anyway? Zalatix Aug 2012 #70

I'm pro-immigrant and therefore think that they should *be* American citizens. joshcryer Aug 2012 #72

They're being used as pools of cheap labor. You keep denying this. Why is that? Zalatix Aug 2012 #74

Where have I "denied that" they lower wages under the current system? joshcryer Aug 2012 #76

I want the American citizen Engineers who are out of work to get those jobs first. Period. Zalatix Aug 2012 #78

As I said, ultranationalism. I want whoever is experienced to get whatever... joshcryer Aug 2012 #79

And you are still trying to sell bigotry. Zalatix Aug 2012 #81

They have a right to not work as engineers, too. joshcryer Aug 2012 #82

You lie once again. The problem is not incompetency, though you'd like to accuse Americans of that. Zalatix Aug 2012 #85

It has nothing to do with dirt cheap wages, it's about education... joshcryer Aug 2012 #88

It has everything to do with cheap labor. You are still wrong in accusing Americans of incompetence. Zalatix Aug 2012 #91

Cheap labor is a side effect, not a reason for it. joshcryer Aug 2012 #92

It is not a side effect, it is the primary lure of hiring H1B's. Zalatix Aug 2012 #95

Since you've now simply begun repeating yourself... joshcryer Aug 2012 #97

And I don't take kindly to you boldly lying about American workers, either. Zalatix Aug 2012 #100

By the numbers: boppers Aug 2012 #111

By the numbers - you're still spouting baseless assertions. Zalatix Aug 2012 #112

Okay... boppers Aug 2012 #115

Still no facts, just your hateful and ultra-biased opinions. Your argument is 100% FAIL. Zalatix Aug 2012 #117

See: Dice.com boppers Aug 2012 #119

LOL you don't even know how to back up your assertions, do you? Zalatix Aug 2012 #121

Here is the problem: SteveSmithCharlotte Aug 2012 #127

People don't understand the screening tests these companies have for hiring. joshcryer Aug 2012 #89

More desperate lies about American workers. Zalatix Aug 2012 #102

You've repeatedly called me a liar without showing it. joshcryer Aug 2012 #103

I called you a liar because you FAILED to prove your claim. Zalatix Aug 2012 #105

But if you pay for college, shouldn't you get a job? boppers Aug 2012 #113

Daily Kos: My Problems with the Programmers Guild joshcryer Aug 2012 #71

Right wing talking point? 91% of Democrats are on my side, not yours. Have a nice day! Zalatix Aug 2012 #73

Insourcing is different from outsourcing. Nice straw man though. joshcryer Aug 2012 #75

We already have a GLUT of American engineers with ADVANCED DEGREES looking for work. Zalatix Aug 2012 #77

That is patently false. Unemployment for engineers it 2%. TWO PERCENT. joshcryer Aug 2012 #80

What I said is perfectly correct. And I have cites, too. Zalatix Aug 2012 #83

I guess you want Obama to "dance a jig" too? I addressed that in #82. joshcryer Aug 2012 #84

Oooh, and now you're being racist, too. "Obama dance a jig"? Where did that BS come from? Zalatix Aug 2012 #86

There's a reason that demand for engineers is high. joshcryer Aug 2012 #87

No, it has nothing to do with "failure to educate our citizens". Zero. Zip. Nada. Zalatix Aug 2012 #93

I just quoted the stat and you repeated yourself! joshcryer Aug 2012 #94

I repeated myself because your "facts" are in error. Your "evidence" is as clear as mud. Zalatix Aug 2012 #96

You're saying the Brookings Institute is lying. joshcryer Aug 2012 #98

Yup, I sure am saying their "facts" are half-truths. And they are half-truths. Zalatix Aug 2012 #101

The unemployment rate for engineers is currently 4.9% SteveSmithCharlotte Aug 2012 #129

Tech doesn't win by votes. boppers Aug 2012 #116

Tech doesn't win by your baseless assertions, either. Zalatix Aug 2012 #118

Here's a fun question I once got asked: boppers Aug 2012 #120

Nice story. Zalatix Aug 2012 #122

Brookings Institute on H1Bs: joshcryer Aug 2012 #99

No shortage of QUALIFIED American Engineers. Sorry, you're wrong again. Zalatix Aug 2012 #104

Brookings Makes No Sense Here SteveSmithCharlotte Aug 2012 #125

The DailyKos post shows why Labor is screwed ... SteveSmithCharlotte Aug 2012 #124

If companies are abusing the H1B one system then fine them. davidpdx Aug 2012 #106

Better than a $5 million fine Zalatix Aug 2012 #107

Yeah that sounds good davidpdx Aug 2012 #110

And third strike = Federal prison time. Zalatix Aug 2012 #114

davidpdx, the problem is SteveSmithCharlotte Aug 2012 #126

Steve I believe you davidpdx Aug 2012 #128

Zalatix, this thread is a monument to why labor is screwed in this country .... SteveSmithCharlotte Aug 2012 #123

I totally agree we need to talk more about the illegal immigration problem. agent zero Aug 2012 #130