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In reply to the discussion: WTF is wrong with Democrats that want to cut Social Security and/or Medicare? [View all]Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)249. Yeah, Manny pick a side - slash or cut?
those are your choices.
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WTF is wrong with Democrats that want to cut Social Security and/or Medicare? [View all]
MannyGoldstein
Aug 2012
OP
Fourthed. I wonder how many of them were Reagan Democrats, or former Moderate Republicans?
sabrina 1
Aug 2012
#245
Please see #88, below. In 1993, Bill Clinton reduced Social Security benefits by increasing the
AnotherMcIntosh
Aug 2012
#91
Yes. Thanks to Clinton, Social Security is means-tested in that those who receive.
JDPriestly
Aug 2012
#104
I'll point a finger at him: He's a Third Way Democrat and, if I'm not mistaken,
whathehell
Aug 2012
#303
Umm, they're Democrats, all right. They, like our country, have rushed to the right.
SusanaMontana41
Aug 2012
#214
The best way to get rid of fraud from Medicare is to get rid of the 'fraudsters' altogether.
sabrina 1
Aug 2012
#262
If that was all that *both* parties are considering there would not be a problem
newthinking
Aug 2012
#199
There is no Medicare Fraud. Patients are not committing Fraud, Medicare is not committing
sabrina 1
Aug 2012
#264
I think the original post is not amount Dems supporting the Ryan budget, but about supporting a
limpyhobbler
Aug 2012
#21
They have been pushing that meme ever since, and are still today, it is the PLAN
Dragonfli
Aug 2012
#48
July 2012 3 Way says "entitlements" such as SS are squeezing investments and need "reform"
jtuck004
Aug 2012
#108
It is not bullshit, else you could refute it, lame man love is what it is....
Dragonfli
Aug 2012
#42
That is the simple math of it, yes. But we are supposed to applaud this Republican ideology because
Dragonfli
Aug 2012
#33
So Obama called Romney and got him to pick Ryan, so that when Obama wins, Obama can carry
JoePhilly
Aug 2012
#6
I notice you provided no link to who these 3rd way people were who were thrilled Romney
JoePhilly
Aug 2012
#17
You are desperately trying to distract from Ryan and project his budget on to Democrats
emulatorloo
Aug 2012
#209
Review your OP. Create Strawman Democrat. Project Ryan Plan onto Strawman Democrat
emulatorloo
Aug 2012
#244
You prefer ignorance perhaps, but a quick perusal of the third way site will prove Manny correct
Dragonfli
Aug 2012
#27
In his defense, I think many use that term without really thinking what it means.
sweetloukillbot
Aug 2012
#84
"Whatever"...Yeah, that about sums up the amount of consideration anyone but men, gay or straight
whathehell
Aug 2012
#305
No, that is inaccurate. Cutting costs without cutting funding is a way to get more benefit from
Bluenorthwest
Aug 2012
#134
Just the opposite, if we followed other countries direction and expanded Medicare to all
suffragette
Aug 2012
#193
Yes, the solution is contained within the examples of the systems and results
suffragette
Aug 2012
#327
Watch what you say, Manny. Before long you'll be accused of demanding Democrats march in lock-step!
Zalatix
Aug 2012
#11
Ask Manny to name the Dems who used the Ryan selection to call for cuts on SS today.
JoePhilly
Aug 2012
#25
Thanks to Romney's Hail Mary pick for his ticket, again we're seeing the Third Way types out in forc
spanone
Aug 2012
#37
What reporters? We used to have reporters. Now we have narcissistic stenographers who want their
AnotherMcIntosh
Aug 2012
#94
Narcissistic stenographers who want their participation to be more important than objective facts.
laundry_queen
Aug 2012
#295
Good post... If one needs to be reminded that social security is not the problem that is destroying
midnight
Aug 2012
#50
It's so early in the election season for 'divide and conquer" but I'm sure seeing it a lot lately..
progressivebydesign
Aug 2012
#52
If you are a Canadian who is ineligible to vote in American elections, why do you care and why
AnotherMcIntosh
Aug 2012
#96
It is not funny Sid. You are here advocating cuts in a nation that is not your own.
Bluenorthwest
Aug 2012
#137
I have an internatinonal life, and friends in many, many countries. We all discuss politics
Bluenorthwest
Aug 2012
#142
Canada must have Medicare or something better. That's why they are always rolling on the floor
Autumn
Aug 2012
#149
Reform attempts have gone on longer than 4 years. You might not be aware of that.
Autumn
Aug 2012
#183
My kind of thinking is more prevalent here in the USA than what you would think.
Autumn
Aug 2012
#195
what would be your answer to Obama successfully passing a full universal care program you want?
Whisp
Aug 2012
#200
Why do I think the US is so far behind on this basic human right? Simple, our politicians
Autumn
Aug 2012
#215
there are a lot of people that are realizing that yes, health care has been reformed
Whisp
Aug 2012
#228
They don't hate it. They got what they wanted when got the mandate. This plan saved the
sabrina 1
Aug 2012
#288
44,000 Americans die each year in the US for lack of HC, including those who have 'Coverage'
sabrina 1
Aug 2012
#287
No, your friend Sid is highly amused by the frustration of those who would like to stop
sabrina 1
Aug 2012
#290
"Cool your jets," followed by "I can understand your pain and frustration,"
woo me with science
Aug 2012
#310
Thank you wmws. I didn't really expect it to have any impact at all on certain people, but for those
sabrina 1
Aug 2012
#315
Many have bought into the idea that there will be no Social Security/Medicare when they get old
jwirr
Aug 2012
#72
Please tell us what to do about the fact that Medicare has evolved as THE adjunct to for-profit care
patrice
Aug 2012
#76
Patrice...you are on the right track..the Ontario health Care plan for seniors.is a good basic plan
nenagh
Aug 2012
#87
This is a hard thing to talk about here, because there are those who put their political
patrice
Aug 2012
#177
Enemies with benefits. We became the enemy, displaced them from Wall St,and that drives them crazy.
leveymg
Aug 2012
#141
Bill Clinton reduced Social Security benefits by signing tax legislation which made 85% of
AnotherMcIntosh
Aug 2012
#88
Reagan began the taxation of benefits in 1983, following the advice of 'the Greenspan Commission'
Bluenorthwest
Aug 2012
#140
The guy who wants to liquidate Social Security gets the republican nod for VP today
bhikkhu
Aug 2012
#90
That's what Manny does. Fabricates strawmen Dems, ignores real Republican threats and politicies.
emulatorloo
Aug 2012
#168
+1. not only that, but benefits have *already* been cut multiple times subrosa.
HiPointDem
Aug 2012
#115
Social security is not an entitlement, it is an annuity that we have paid into. Calling it,
still_one
Aug 2012
#109
that's why it *is* an entitlement. we paid in & we're entitled to it. it's on the dems that they
HiPointDem
Aug 2012
#114
Not conspiracy theories but rather the clear meaning of the President's own words.
eomer
Aug 2012
#144
What he has done is exactly what I posted - promoted cutting Social Security benefits.
eomer
Aug 2012
#298
Briefing room word games: What's a 'slash' versus a 'cut' in Social Security
MannyGoldstein
Aug 2012
#138
You don't support the Chained CPI, seriously, say it is not so. This IS DU after all.
sabrina 1
Aug 2012
#275
No, what's insane is brazen support for cutting SS on a Democratic board. nt
woo me with science
Aug 2012
#318
K&R 17% that still leaves tens of millions of people with no regular access,
Egalitarian Thug
Aug 2012
#129
It's all over the very front page of the Third Way website right now. The front page.
Zorra
Aug 2012
#201
1) You created a Strawman Democrat 2) You attempt to misdirect from Ryan 3) You blame Democrats for
emulatorloo
Aug 2012
#162
I wonder if woo would ever tell us about her job & benefits. It's easy to say burn it all down
patrice
Aug 2012
#178
What's underlying this entire discussion is a desperate attempt to distract from the Ryan Plan
emulatorloo
Aug 2012
#182
Thank you! For-profit treatment modalities that get the worst results for the highest prices are
patrice
Aug 2012
#204
I have seen some elders off. Have also been around a few cancer patients. & Taught high
patrice
Aug 2012
#216
It is incumbent upon all of us who care about Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid to call on
Citizen Worker
Aug 2012
#165
Talking point repetition. 3rd Way could be anything. Bigotry against it is EXCLUSIONARY, tell us
patrice
Aug 2012
#213
Why do you charaterize protecting ground-gained as silencing? Why don't you entertain the hypothesis
patrice
Aug 2012
#230
BTW, I prefer Neo-Liberals or DLC for what you are referring to, because dialectics CAN be a good
patrice
Aug 2012
#233
Are you denying that the Democratic Party has moved right and now represents "moderates"?
Tierra_y_Libertad
Aug 2012
#246
Nothing very anarchic in any of that. All QUITE predictable. A bunch of us are living in deep RED
patrice
Aug 2012
#254
The biggest problem with Medicare is the projected increasing costs for chronic diseases like
andym
Aug 2012
#252
The DLC was completely successful in shifting the Democratic Party to the right.
NorthCarolina
Aug 2012
#265