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123. Notwithstanding Conyers's 15 year fight for Medicare for All,

Fri Nov 2, 2018, 04:55 AM

Nov 2018

the congressional Democrats' primary goal since 2008 has been to first pass and then preserve the ACA.

However, it remains a fact that the only legislator who has/had been championing a detailed, fully funded, carefully crafted Medicare for All bill for the past 15 years is Democrat John Conyers.

The two senate medicare for all bills that have been introduced in the past 12 years are problematic, to say the least. For advocates and activists, what matters most is the quality, feasibility, and viability of the legislation, rather than which legislator gets the "credit".

It is hoped that a Democratic senator will introduce a version of medicare for all that mirrors HR 676 in the upcoming session of Congress.

http://www.medicareforall.org/pages/HR676_and_S915

http://www.medicareforall.org/pages/S1804

http://www.medicareforall.org/pages/Bernie_Sanders

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In Which States has Sen Sanders endorsed or campaigned supportively for the Democratic challenger? [View all] Bfd Oct 2018 OP

My guess: demmiblue Oct 2018 #1

++ vsrazdem Oct 2018 #2

Yep. A week before the election and some people just can't let it go. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2018 #3

There has been enough ugly this week. demmiblue Oct 2018 #5

Exactly. Some just have to take pot shots at the majority of the members here. Sad. George II Oct 2018 #7

Funny. I took this thread more as questioning the unity and R B Garr Oct 2018 #10

Excuse me.. Who are you to tell members to "STFU"? Cha Oct 2018 #14

Strange how some can't recognize that, or simply don't want to... thankfully, Bernie does. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2018 #78

Yes, you're 100% correct, SOME people just "can't let it go". George II Oct 2018 #12

I see what you did there grantcart Oct 2018 #50

..... George II Oct 2018 #52

Are your signature gifs about "letting go"?? R B Garr Oct 2018 #22

... lapucelle Oct 2018 #57

... R B Garr Oct 2018 #83

Bazinga! At least your little girl isn't getting thrown through a window or into a lake to drown. George II Oct 2018 #84

Yeah, that'd be great. Cha Nov 2018 #96

Yes. I am just asking where he has endorsed. His voice is influential. Bfd Oct 2018 #6

Some good theories (actually more than theories) - #1 and #2 are very plausible, but as for #3.... George II Oct 2018 #8

+++ pangaia Oct 2018 #60

Bernie is busy helping Democrats across the country and helping to get the vote. CentralMass Oct 2018 #4

Thank you. That is what i wanted to know. Much appreciated. Bfd Oct 2018 #9

Look what Kamala Harris is doing.. Cha Nov 2018 #97

Wow! She is so smart & serious. I have the absolute highest respect for Sen Harris. Bfd Nov 2018 #98

I Retweeted it. Cha Nov 2018 #99

Thanks Cha! Move the message along. Bfd Nov 2018 #103

That second one doesn't specifically say GOTV for Democrats. George II Oct 2018 #11

Bernie's doing the heavy lifting, as usual... but, of course, that's not good enough for some. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2018 #77

Great questions. Nothing wrong with wondering what the unifying R B Garr Oct 2018 #13

Thank you. With so much on the line come tuesday, strategy is key & its interesting to witness how Bfd Oct 2018 #17

Colorado had Bernie last week Pity Puddles Oct 2018 #15

You can get a lot of information on where he has campaigned at in the Sanders group Autumn Oct 2018 #16

Really? Bfd Oct 2018 #19

Groups are safe havens. Autumn Oct 2018 #20

Boy.. disillusioned73 Nov 2018 #112

I make it a practice of not reading posts in groups from which I'm blocked. I wonder why.... George II Oct 2018 #30

Bernie is everywhere... campaigning his azz off!! If everybody displayed that kind of energy... InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2018 #80

Because there are certain issues and positions candidates take that he champions. JCanete Oct 2018 #18

His values are the Democratic values. They must be since he caucauses & votes with Dems 99% Bfd Oct 2018 #21

But on issues of taking pac money and campaign finance reform, etc. there is a vast divide JCanete Oct 2018 #23

So Whitmer & Gillum don't represent his values?? Bfd Oct 2018 #24

I actually thought Gillum wasn't taking pac money but that doesn't look to be the case. JCanete Oct 2018 #39

Virtually every Democrat running this year is championing a $15 minimum wage and variations.... George II Oct 2018 #47

I don't think you're correct on Medicare for All. How do you define "variation?" Also, JCanete Oct 2018 #48

Democrats HAVE championed these ideas over the decades. Dingell's "variation"? Here: George II Oct 2018 #51

The Clintons' were the true progressives about health care -- decades ago. Really. R B Garr Oct 2018 #53

what part of that do you think I disagree with? The problem is that the Clintons learned the JCanete Oct 2018 #54

I didn't see Bernie running for President 25 years ago, so who was R B Garr Oct 2018 #55

Nonsense. You can look over my post history and have probably read many of the very posts JCanete Oct 2018 #59

Wow, this is really a lot of contradiction. No wonder it's impossible for Democrats R B Garr Oct 2018 #64

Nope. Show me where I have entirely centered Sanders. In threads attacking sanders, kind of JCanete Oct 2018 #66

You should spend your own time going over your own posts, especially those that R B Garr Oct 2018 #67

Twenty five years ago Sanders was a virtual unknown. With all the C-span that I've watched... George II Oct 2018 #79

Democrat John Conyers introduced his Medicare for All bill in every session of Congress since 2003. lapucelle Nov 2018 #113

That there isn't a companion bill, if thats the way Senators think it should be done rather than JCanete Nov 2018 #114

Notwithstanding Conyers's 15 year fight for Medicare for All, lapucelle Nov 2018 #123

The Republican governor of VT vetoed a raise in the minimum wage lapucelle Oct 2018 #74

She is running a historic candidacy in Vermont, I wish she got more support than she's getting.... George II Oct 2018 #82

Oh BS could actually spend Cha Nov 2018 #95

Gillum "nails" the most important priority: He's a DEMOCRAT seeking to defeat a GOP opponent. NurseJackie Nov 2018 #102

But El Sayed said Gretchen Whitmer Cha Nov 2018 #94

But, but, but... Bernie's not a Democrat!! Haven't you heard?! InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2018 #81

Well according to bernie, he's not a Democrat. Correct? Bfd Oct 2018 #85

True. Thank you. NurseJackie Oct 2018 #88

Interesting priorities. NurseJackie Oct 2018 #25

interesting read on my point. The point is that Sanders is trusted by those who support him to JCanete Oct 2018 #27

I'm saying that I question his judgement and priorities... NurseJackie Oct 2018 #42

I'm pretty sure Sanders has stated that people should vote for democrats over republicans in JCanete Oct 2018 #44

Yet his own "Our Revolution" says something entirely different. NurseJackie Oct 2018 #56

they make his voice mean nothing. that's the point. Then it becomes a matter of what letter is on JCanete Oct 2018 #58

Oh brother! NurseJackie Oct 2018 #63

Because its a lie. because it wouldn't fit with our previous rhetoric. Because it WOULD make JCanete Oct 2018 #65

Ah... so one's vanity is more important than defeating the GOP. Got it. NurseJackie Oct 2018 #68

wow...so I just explained to you how this could do us damage and you decided to ignore that JCanete Oct 2018 #69

Defeating the GOP is the ONLY concern above ALL others. Deal with it. NurseJackie Oct 2018 #72

We also shouldn't "lie" and claim that one Senator from a small state R B Garr Oct 2018 #73

Wow, look at you openly advocating NOT to vote for the Democrat! Sure, there R B Garr Oct 2018 #71

No, I never said that at all. I don't know where you got that idea. I said I wouldn't pretend I JCanete Nov 2018 #115

You were implying lots of stuff about "lies", as if local R B Garr Nov 2018 #116

No, I wasn't. Go back over my exchange with Nurse Jackie. In it I said that it JCanete Nov 2018 #117

This is very convoluted and contradictory, sorry. I certainly won't R B Garr Nov 2018 #118

Fair enough, but I maintain that i've been more nuanced and less partisan than JCanete Nov 2018 #119

I've been very clear that you need to read the Mueller indictments. R B Garr Nov 2018 #120

Exactly, and you've continued to pound out that line over and over, even while you have JCanete Nov 2018 #121

Sorry, but that doesn't make much sense. Not following R B Garr Nov 2018 #122

"It would hurt Sanders messaging and brand if he simply put his limited time and weight behind any Cha Oct 2018 #31

No. He liked the other candidate better, but apparently like Whitmer enough. Is this confusing to JCanete Oct 2018 #37

It's only confusing when one twists themselves in knots looking for fault. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2018 #70

** THIS ** InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2018 #76

Speaking of which........... George II Nov 2018 #110

But his "messaging and brand".. El Sayed Cha Nov 2018 #91

I hope BS will come out very strongly for Christine Hallquist on this final GOTV weekend. lapucelle Nov 2018 #111

I'm confused as to why BS didn't spend as much time campaigning for Hallquist in VT lapucelle Nov 2018 #104

He's making his first appearance for her on Sunday, two days before the election.... George II Nov 2018 #107

If he "liked the other candidate better" (implying he "liked" Whitmer), why did he... George II Nov 2018 #106

I hope BS sees the governor's race in Vermont as a priority lapucelle Oct 2018 #75

See post #107, he's making his first appearance with her on Sunday, November 4. George II Nov 2018 #108

So my Senator, Feinstein, is "beleagured"??** That sounds divisive, actually. R B Garr Oct 2018 #26

Feinstein is leading right? is she beleaguered? Besides, she's competing against another JCanete Oct 2018 #32

I'm just glad that Feinstein didn't say about him what he said about her. R B Garr Oct 2018 #33

Well At Least You're Being Honest Me. Oct 2018 #28

lol, thank you! I noticed that, too. R B Garr Oct 2018 #29

what? You misread me. I said "any" beleagured candidate. The point is to campaign for those whose JCanete Oct 2018 #35

7,860,000 Californians voted for my Senator Feinstein in 2012, Bernie's R B Garr Oct 2018 #38

dude, do you know how much money goes into california politics? Do you really believe JCanete Oct 2018 #40

Uh, she started as mayor of San Francisco. Obviously people really like her, R B Garr Oct 2018 #41

yeah, that his message and credibility matters. Feinstein demonstrably does not support JCanete Oct 2018 #43

Obviously millions and millions of Californians disagree with this slanted view R B Garr Oct 2018 #45

oft refuted claim that Sanders could somehow bring in Medicare for All for his state when he is a JCanete Oct 2018 #46

This is more of the cognitive dissonance mentioned earlier. Democrats are R B Garr Oct 2018 #49

Our Dems have the BEST VALUES.. Cha Nov 2018 #93

Confusing Me. Nov 2018 #100

Oh I get it! Cha Nov 2018 #101

It Was Confusing & Could've Gone Either Way Me. Nov 2018 #105

Is it more important to avoid hurting one's "brand" or winning elections? But I really think.... George II Oct 2018 #61

... and then confirmed it and defended it... NurseJackie Oct 2018 #86

No Worries! Most of our Dem Candidates have the BEST Cha Nov 2018 #92

Would it "hurt Sanders' messaging and brand" if he spent some of his "limited time".... George II Nov 2018 #109

It isn't hard to find this stuff out Snotcicles Oct 2018 #34

+1 CentralMass Oct 2018 #62

Aren't those endorsements for primaries, rather than general election endorsements? N/T lapucelle Oct 2018 #89

Good God. Let it go. mac56 Oct 2018 #36

I'm not embarrassed for asking a question about which Dem candidates he's endorsing or campaigning Bfd Oct 2018 #87

NO, Bfd is Not "embarrassing" Cha Oct 2018 #90