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zipplewrath

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15. Unfortunately, our Constitution can't deal with this
Wed Nov 7, 2018, 03:53 PM
Nov 2018

As the population begins to concentrate in a collection of states, the states "left behind" with shrinking populations (either in absolutely or comparatively) still have two senators. That's a problem. Even more so, as populations become concentrated in states, the smaller states still get a minimum of one congressman. The result is that effectively larger states have to "give up" a congressman so the smaller one gets at least a single representative, despite their small size. All of this works in the favor of a "rural" party and to the detriment of an "urban" party, especially as the suburban areas behave more like urban ones.

A country, a government, can't function endlessly with the minority having governing control. It always ends badly.

Of the people, by the people, and for the people has to be for ALL the people. A democracy of any form (such as a representative republic like ours) rests upon the willingness of the minority to be governed by the majority. When that inverts for extended periods, you have a problem. Our system was designed to give minorities over sized influence to prevent the tyranny of the majority. It was never intended to create a minority ruling class. The founders feared oligarchies, monarchies, cabals, dictators.....

America's urban-rural divide deepens [View all] Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2018 OP
I see a split coming Quemado Nov 2018 #1
not that I am advocating for it MrGrieves Nov 2018 #2
Minnesota goes to Canada along with Iowa exboyfil Nov 2018 #6
I'd be fine being a part of Canada, but I don't think it would happen. Zing Zing Zingbah Nov 2018 #11
That would work for me. Garrett78 Nov 2018 #14
You do know Canada has some conservative elements right? EllieBC Nov 2018 #34
If US breaks apart, Canada may as well. roamer65 Nov 2018 #39
And Quebec? EllieBC Nov 2018 #46
The interior of PA would violently oppose that Amishman Nov 2018 #37
I'd advocate for it, but there's no way to do it qazplm135 Nov 2018 #26
That seems like it would be a huge mess. Zing Zing Zingbah Nov 2018 #7
Wow I do not want it to happen. Cities & suburbs are mixed in rural states. bronxiteforever Nov 2018 #9
I agree. We would have to cleanly seperate the two mindsets into Blue_true Nov 2018 #17
I agree with a split. I think that a spilt is best at this point. Blue_true Nov 2018 #16
This presents a problem for us in regards to both chambers of Congress. Garrett78 Nov 2018 #3
Major problem, for the reasons you indicate Awsi Dooger Nov 2018 #12
Maximizing urban areas is the only way to go. Garrett78 Nov 2018 #13
Indeed Awsi Dooger Nov 2018 #18
Those who think we're going to win over those folks are living in fantasy land. Garrett78 Nov 2018 #20
Don't leave out religion, as it's a huge factor. Mariana Nov 2018 #24
This Comatose Sphagetti Nov 2018 #36
That involves educating urban and Surburban people on how republicanism hurts them. Blue_true Nov 2018 #19
I used to live in Oregon, where rural folks think Portland is the bane of their existence. Garrett78 Nov 2018 #21
Red America would not seek reunification. Blue_true Nov 2018 #23
When I visit the Florida panhandle they hate Miami Awsi Dooger Nov 2018 #29
Good points. The hate and fear is driven in early. Blue_true Nov 2018 #35
The difference in Republicans from college to uneducated ones in Las Vegas was astonishing Awsi Dooger Nov 2018 #48
We need more states. alarimer Nov 2018 #44
DC and Puerto Rico would definitely be overwhelmingly Dem-friendly states. Garrett78 Nov 2018 #47
A section of American that claim the morality of our nation elected a dead pimp. Wintryjade Nov 2018 #4
Well a'course the good ol' boys, the ranchers and cowboys and such love the guy ... mr_lebowski Nov 2018 #5
Iowa was interesting, though. Squinch Nov 2018 #8
Maybe let the Republicans have what they want exboyfil Nov 2018 #10
I think this is what's needed. alarimer Nov 2018 #45
Unfortunately, our Constitution can't deal with this zipplewrath Nov 2018 #15
And like the pigs in Animal Farm..... PA Democrat Nov 2018 #22
Pigs in Animal Farm a reference to Iowa hog farmers? Quemado Nov 2018 #42
One of the many reasons I voted all blue in MI... roamer65 Nov 2018 #25
Leave them alone. Let them live like the Amish greymattermom Nov 2018 #27
Just leave us alone - but that's the problem isn't it? They won't... Runningdawg Nov 2018 #31
Rural voters don't see government helping them. Qutzupalotl Nov 2018 #28
That's a good summary Awsi Dooger Nov 2018 #30
I hadn't thought of it that way! +100000000 for this! EllieBC Nov 2018 #32
A lot of them are on government assistance. roamer65 Nov 2018 #38
The retired and unemployed ones, for sure. Qutzupalotl Nov 2018 #43
They don't see government helping them... llmart Nov 2018 #40
And there go the sovereign tribal lands... Runningdawg Nov 2018 #33
What you are seeing is the formation of 4 classes in this country. roamer65 Nov 2018 #41
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