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Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts) Thu Dec 6, 2018, 09:27 AM Dec 2018

The fact GM is shifting production to Mexico is not just for labor costs, missing in the media [View all]

reports or mentioned in passing was a key element of the corporate decision...to shift to Electric Venicles, zero emission,

Combine that with plunging oil prices, which are GOOD for the economy, all asshateery analysis of right wing hand-wringers and their media lackeys aside, AND OPEC's desperate ploys and imminent demise and I say....

There is a revolution afoot and the isolated and cornered Republican Party of America is just a road bump in the path.

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The fact GM is shifting production to Mexico is not just for labor costs, missing in the media [View all] Fred Sanders Dec 2018 OP

THIS! Zoonart Dec 2018 #1

I will never accept that 'good' change puts American workers out of a job while giving jobs to Demsrule86 Dec 2018 #14

Jeez no one has said anything about Fords manuvering.... Historic NY Dec 2018 #31

I know. Demsrule86 Dec 2018 #41

Right TheFarseer Dec 2018 #33

Exactly right. We need jobs or all the good things like Medicare and social security...go Demsrule86 Dec 2018 #43

Auto jobs *were* good paying jobs, 50 years ago Recursion Dec 2018 #34

Not true...my son make $30.00 an hour ...he was hired five years ago. Demsrule86 Dec 2018 #39

Hey, your a tariff man! GulfCoast66 Dec 2018 #37

If done correctly, you bet. Trump is too dumb to use this tool effectively. Demsrule86 Dec 2018 #38

We often agree Demsrule, but not here. GulfCoast66 Dec 2018 #42

Blaming China as he boogeyman is yet another ploy of Western business media, seems all is fsir Fred Sanders Dec 2018 #49

I can't diagree at all GulfCoast66 Dec 2018 #57

GOP tax bill cut taxes on foreign production, driving US plant closures lostnfound Dec 2018 #2

Sherrod Brown saying tax bill drove plant closures. WHY ARENT ALL DEMS TALKING ABOUT THIS? lostnfound Dec 2018 #3

In other words, the repug tax scam gutted thousands of American jobs out or our system. brush Dec 2018 #9

It's not the narrative. watoos Dec 2018 #16

The tax heist's GILTI provision allowing corporations Hortensis Dec 2018 #55

I heard it too from Sherrod Brown. It needs repeating -- and often! n/t Pobeka Dec 2018 #6

Actually, everyone gets to deduct foreign income taxes DeminPennswoods Dec 2018 #54

That's true but connection to drop in overall rate. 22% to 11% is much more than half lostnfound Dec 2018 #56

Yep, I see your point DeminPennswoods Dec 2018 #59

Steel and aluminum is tariff free in Mexico Cicada Dec 2018 #4

Trump will never have any credibility in this area Mr.Bill Dec 2018 #5

There is no qualifier for Trump and credibility... Moostache Dec 2018 #8

The only shred he still holds because of thst is because the corporate media thst also Fred Sanders Dec 2018 #50

Kick - people need to see this thread rurallib Dec 2018 #7

100kw solar packs with invertor, plug and play is going for 200 bucks now. Fred Sanders Dec 2018 #51

RE electric cars: where is the electricity going to come from. Power plants take 5+ years to build Dorn Dec 2018 #10

Trust the market here JCMach1 Dec 2018 #15

Unfortunately SHRED Dec 2018 #20

Rooftop solar SHRED Dec 2018 #19

Endangers people who don't know to stay away from dicking with DC to AC converters. Blue_true Dec 2018 #24

Really? SHRED Dec 2018 #35

PV produces DC. Blue_true Dec 2018 #46

Shred, rooftop generating power for an electric car is going to be the killer app of the century. Fred Sanders Dec 2018 #52

I don't think capacity is a problem. Scruffy1 Dec 2018 #23

If every has a EV and charge at night, that time period power demand will explode. Blue_true Dec 2018 #25

low oil prices are great for consumers but many red states depend on higher prices elmac Dec 2018 #11

I get it, but it s the same argument made just before the steel factories closed and yet Fred Sanders Dec 2018 #53

It's just the opposite, what I heard on media: GM is NOT going to push EV. Plus, TAX INCENTIVES. Honeycombe8 Dec 2018 #12

So part of the 'good' news is we lose jobs...sorry not buying that...GM sucks to do this and Demsrule86 Dec 2018 #13

Building Electric Vehicles Here people Dec 2018 #18

Gas taxes in Europe are substantually higher than here MichMan Dec 2018 #28

I firmly believe in what John Trudell said turbinetree Dec 2018 #17

Might I say again....MEXICANS BUY THE CARS!! Americans don't. Hulk Dec 2018 #21

Except that they big three alll manufacture big pickup trucks in Mexico MichMan Dec 2018 #29

...and they purchase pick ups as well Hulk Dec 2018 #36

Good point misanthrope Dec 2018 #47

Electric vehicles can never be zero emission. Blue_true Dec 2018 #22

Why are you ignoring nuclear power in your list? former9thward Dec 2018 #27

You make a valid point. But eventhough nukes don't generate emissions, there is the issue of spent Blue_true Dec 2018 #30

We have no viable long range disaster plan for nuclear. delisen Dec 2018 #32

They seem to have no problem with them in Europe or elsewhere former9thward Dec 2018 #45

Europe actively moving away from nuclear in many European countries delisen Dec 2018 #48

Interesting Power 2 the People Dec 2018 #26

electric cars can be made anywhere - they're actually simpler harumph Dec 2018 #40

That doesn't mean that for our benefit they should not be made right here. Demsrule86 Dec 2018 #44

Just bought a plug-in hybrid. Made in Korea. Liberal In Texas Dec 2018 #58