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Why is it an awesome idea for Biden to run, but Hillary not only shouldn't run, but must go away? [View all]
EffieBlack
Dec 2018
OP
Actually I agree with you and for that reason I would consider any of them (and Warren too.)
Tom Rinaldo
Dec 2018
#76
Biden is in pretty decent shape too... runnin' laps, the guy could easily keep up with Obama...
InAbLuEsTaTe
Dec 2018
#217
Yes, even though every year, Bernie is consistently ranked among the Senate's top progressives...
InAbLuEsTaTe
Dec 2018
#300
True dat... why Michelle Obama should also run. Talk about exceptional!!!
InAbLuEsTaTe
Dec 2018
#192
They got more votes than he did in each primary and then he dropped out while they stayed in
EffieBlack
Dec 2018
#244
You could argue that Edwards did win a small number of delegates ... but not Richardson or Kuchinich
karynnj
Dec 2018
#163
If Biden had been the nominee in 2016 he would have been swiftboated like crazy,
StevieM
Dec 2018
#203
And lost TWICE IN A ROW... Biden WON his last 2 elections as VP with Obama.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Dec 2018
#48
As I said, Obama deserves the lion's share of the credit for those victories...
InAbLuEsTaTe
Dec 2018
#70
I see your point... and, of course, the right experience is a valuable asset, regardless.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Dec 2018
#77
I agree with you that Biden should speak to the issue of Russian interference in the 2016 election.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Dec 2018
#142
Who can beat rump is all that matters....people clearly aren't getting that. nt
UniteFightBack
Dec 2018
#173
I don't think it is awesome for Biden to run, nor do I think Hillary has to go away
Tom Rinaldo
Dec 2018
#8
I assume that Biden and Sanders will both run again, and they will start out as the front runners.
StevieM
Dec 2018
#12
The ghosts of 2016, and the divisions from that are alive and well. Because of that, I do not
still_one
Dec 2018
#27
She said as much. I suspect Sanders will, but for the reasons I gave I don't think he will make it
still_one
Dec 2018
#284
Yes, but the experience Joe got as VP for 8 years, plus his 3 decades in the Senate...
InAbLuEsTaTe
Dec 2018
#59
Yes, and those attitudes are certainly unfair and should be put on the proverbial "scrap heap"...
InAbLuEsTaTe
Dec 2018
#75
Hillary is certainly welcome to run, like any other prospective Democratic candidate...
InAbLuEsTaTe
Dec 2018
#78
Your probably right... she certainly gave the last election everything she had.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Dec 2018
#143
Hillary isn't going away, but she also isnt going to run again. All the abuse she has put up with
still_one
Dec 2018
#13
If we don't unite for the fight in 2020 vs the Nazi-in-Chief, the results could again be disasterous
InAbLuEsTaTe
Dec 2018
#50
That may be, but in my view it would be prudent to choose a Democratic nominee that wasn't part of
still_one
Dec 2018
#56
You have a point, though I respectfully disagree somewhat but then that speaks in favor of Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
Dec 2018
#62
I am pretty sure if Biden is able to run he will, and while he did NOT run in 2016, he isn't a new
still_one
Dec 2018
#68
I'd hafta go with Joe... eight years as VP gives him a leg up on Hillary...
InAbLuEsTaTe
Dec 2018
#93
I think they're referring to previous nominees who came back to win the presidency
EffieBlack
Dec 2018
#42
As opposed to running twice for the nomination and not making it through the primaries?
EffieBlack
Dec 2018
#26
I'm not supporting Biden, but a relevant data point is he then went on to win the Vice Presidency
Tom Rinaldo
Dec 2018
#49
I personally like her, she can do what she wants but her favorability ratings are still very low
Quixote1818
Dec 2018
#23
Clearly... Hillary is obviously politically savvy & knows the difficult challenge of that reality.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Dec 2018
#308
The candidate is elected in the primaries. How would "the Party" "switch" candidates? N/T
lapucelle
Dec 2018
#134
Aren't you making the same sort of assumption you just criticized the OP for?
Stinky The Clown
Dec 2018
#36
I mistakenly assumed everyone understood the problem with "When did you stop beating your mother"
Ms. Toad
Dec 2018
#103
Or, that those who believe Joe has the right to run, also believe Hillary does too.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Dec 2018
#191
If Hilary were to primary against Biden (or that old NotADemocrat guy), I'd be all in for HRC.
Stinky The Clown
Dec 2018
#35
I'm not sure "toxic" is the right word... but, clearly, Joe does much better with Independents...
InAbLuEsTaTe
Dec 2018
#88
If Hillary had to answer for - again and again - 20-year-old legislation she didn't even vote for
EffieBlack
Dec 2018
#168
Yes. I want to know why Hillary giving a speech about that 1994 crime bill is responsible for
betsuni
Dec 2018
#181
His legislation has helped to put millennials under a mountain of student loan debt
pnwmom
Dec 2018
#96
Actually it is her standing amung Dems that has caused her to drop so much
Quixote1818
Dec 2018
#111
You're going to be just as exhausted trying to get any other Dem "up to baseline"
EffieBlack
Dec 2018
#225
What poll is that? Obviously it isn't a poll of Democrats. You know, Democrats who determine who
still_one
Dec 2018
#61
I realize exactly the point you were making Effie. It was brilliant, though I think
still_one
Dec 2018
#80
I would like neither of them to run & both of them to campaign for dem candidates. -nt
CrispyQ
Dec 2018
#66
Thanks for taking the time to write a 6-paragraph response to my "stupid fucking clickbait" question
EffieBlack
Dec 2018
#90
Gee, for a For a "stupid fucking question made just for clickbait", you sure gave a long response
still_one
Dec 2018
#235
It's certainly true that Joe's one helluva campaigner; another check in the plus column for him.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Dec 2018
#145
She destroyed Trump in all three debates, even with the media spinning for him
StevieM
Dec 2018
#292
I disagree that Trumop won them as campaign events. I remember them benefitting her at the time
StevieM
Dec 2018
#321
Neither should run. Nor go away. Just help other Dems get elected as needed.
Nanjeanne
Dec 2018
#166
I mean, it's pretty clear - Dems have already lost a presidential election with Hillary.
Drunken Irishman
Dec 2018
#171
No, because she has too much baggage and is too polarizing. Biden is Biden and Hillary is Hillary.
LBM20
Dec 2018
#197
I have watched the RW use her as a punching bag for almost 30 years. There's your "baggage" and
Hekate
Dec 2018
#201
Some, without saying it outright, seem to think we must nominate a white male.
Garrett78
Dec 2018
#214
I think turnout for our nominee will be greater if we nominate a woman or person of color.
Garrett78
Dec 2018
#227
A woman or person of color is just as likely to pull in plenty of extra votes
EffieBlack
Dec 2018
#231
People said that in 2008 back when America wasn't ready for a black president
EffieBlack
Dec 2018
#232
No, I didn't say that was the only reason. You're just picking a fight, and I'm not interested /nt
LongtimeAZDem
Dec 2018
#271
First of all, we're talking about getting the nomination. Not the general election.
Garrett78
Dec 2018
#265
You must have missed the fact that the GOP and Russians STOLE WI, MI, PA from Hillary
EffieBlack
Dec 2018
#274
You're right - Biden never lost a General because he was never able to make it to the general
EffieBlack
Dec 2018
#287
I know. Nixon was also the last vice president to win the presidency without directly following the
EffieBlack
Dec 2018
#304