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InAbLuEsTaTe

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191. Or, that those who believe Joe has the right to run, also believe Hillary does too.

Sun Dec 9, 2018, 07:17 PM

Dec 2018

I just choose to believe Hillary when she says she's not running, and Joe, who says he's mulling it over. Does that mean he would be my 1st choice? Heck no, but he's earned the right to run and change my mind.

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Why is it an awesome idea for Biden to run, but Hillary not only shouldn't run, but must go away? [View all] EffieBlack Dec 2018 OP

Neither should run. SMC22307 Dec 2018 #1

Yes. nt tblue37 Dec 2018 #4

Bingo. paleotn Dec 2018 #6

Agreed. democratisphere Dec 2018 #10

Yup. n/t X_Digger Dec 2018 #65

Couldn't agree more. Neema Dec 2018 #131

I agree that sanders should not run but I doubt that he will anyway Gothmog Dec 2018 #175

We get it -- you don't like Sanders. SMC22307 Dec 2018 #182

He's not going to show his tax returns blue cat Dec 2018 #281

Moot, even. SMC22307 Dec 2018 #293

Thank you blue cat Dec 2018 #296

See: blue cat Dec 2018 #297

+1 D23MIURG23 Dec 2018 #185

I'm with you. KentuckyWoman Dec 2018 #199

Neither should Bernie Sanders or whistler162 Dec 2018 #207

I mentioned Sanders in my post. Disagree about Warren. SMC22307 Dec 2018 #209

I'm sorry ... just too old. earthside Dec 2018 #210

Yup! NT Adrahil Dec 2018 #211

Yes. With all due respect, we need younger candidates. PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2018 #229

TOTALLY agree Raine Dec 2018 #238

I agree nt Sunsky Dec 2018 #256

It's a great bumper sticker lacking any evidence at all to support it. LanternWaste Dec 2018 #288

That's quite a leap... SMC22307 Dec 2018 #294

That's a good question marylandblue Dec 2018 #2

With the same answer as why Nancy needs to leave or Hortensis Dec 2018 #53

+1. I don't think either should run, but you're absolutely right on this! nt tblue37 Dec 2018 #3

Don't forget Bernie in this equation, too! WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2018 #5

In terms of age, absolutely. All of them are in their seventies... Tom Rinaldo Dec 2018 #28

Tom, age just isn't the same factor it once was. Hortensis Dec 2018 #71

Actually I agree with you and for that reason I would consider any of them (and Warren too.) Tom Rinaldo Dec 2018 #76

All true. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #99

:) Yes, same here. You know, it's actually the press who crave Hortensis Dec 2018 #126

Yep, well put Tom Rinaldo Dec 2018 #133

Except Bernie has the energy and drive of politicians HALF his age. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #147

and Hillary doesn't? nt Baltimike Dec 2018 #151

She's too ambitious ... EffieBlack Dec 2018 #154

Ooooh, and she's "bitchy" and we do want a woman, just not her Baltimike Dec 2018 #157

Is his doctors name Jackson? OBrien Dec 2018 #152

NO HE DOESN'T. And don't forget, Bernie isn't a Democrat. trueblue2007 Dec 2018 #186

lol yeah, no he doesn't obamanut2012 Dec 2018 #196

Biden is in pretty decent shape too... runnin' laps, the guy could easily keep up with Obama... InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #217

LMAO blackdove78 Dec 2018 #216

Too bad he's not a Democrat Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #299

Yes, even though every year, Bernie is consistently ranked among the Senate's top progressives... InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #300

Still not a member of the Democratic Party Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #303

I had forgotten... thanks for the reminder!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #305

You're welcome Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #318

Because one has already lost to Trump BeyondGeography Dec 2018 #7

And the other lost to Clinton, Obama, Edwards, Richardson, and Kucinich oberliner Dec 2018 #11

Are they running in 2020? BeyondGeography Dec 2018 #14

I don't think there's any question Biden would have... InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #278

Losing to Obama should not be held against anybody treestar Dec 2018 #92

True dat... why Michelle Obama should also run. Talk about exceptional!!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #192

He didn't just lose to Obama EffieBlack Dec 2018 #193

How did he lose to the other Dems though - treestar Dec 2018 #240

They got more votes than he did in each primary and then he dropped out while they stayed in EffieBlack Dec 2018 #244

Biden lost to Dukakis and Obama -- not to the names you mentioned karynnj Dec 2018 #148

Biden actually did lose to all of them EffieBlack Dec 2018 #155

You could argue that Edwards did win a small number of delegates ... but not Richardson or Kuchinich karynnj Dec 2018 #163

If Biden had been the nominee in 2016 he would have been swiftboated like crazy, StevieM Dec 2018 #203

Thank you EffieBlack Dec 2018 #212

That Is My Argument erpowers Dec 2018 #279

She got 3 million more votes than he did EffieBlack Dec 2018 #24

That's simply not true Stinky The Clown Dec 2018 #34

No! She won. Election was compromised bigtime. triron Dec 2018 #39

And lost TWICE IN A ROW... Biden WON his last 2 elections as VP with Obama. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #48

OBAMA won those elections EffieBlack Dec 2018 #58

As I said, Obama deserves the lion's share of the credit for those victories... InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #70

I don't take those attributes away from him, either EffieBlack Dec 2018 #72

I see your point... and, of course, the right experience is a valuable asset, regardless. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #77

Amen Effie!! Caliman73 Dec 2018 #98

The Obama/Biden ticket won when the Democratic Party was super strong delisen Dec 2018 #123

I agree with you that Biden should speak to the issue of Russian interference in the 2016 election. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #142

Who can beat rump is all that matters....people clearly aren't getting that. nt UniteFightBack Dec 2018 #173

I don't think it is awesome for Biden to run, nor do I think Hillary has to go away Tom Rinaldo Dec 2018 #8

I assume that Biden and Sanders will both run again, and they will start out as the front runners. StevieM Dec 2018 #12

The ghosts of 2016, and the divisions from that are alive and well. Because of that, I do not still_one Dec 2018 #27

Personally I really don't believe Hillary is going to run. GWC58 Dec 2018 #277

She said as much. I suspect Sanders will, but for the reasons I gave I don't think he will make it still_one Dec 2018 #284

I agree. GWC58 Dec 2018 #295

Yes, but the experience Joe got as VP for 8 years, plus his 3 decades in the Senate... InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #59

Longevity and experience are attributes for men EffieBlack Dec 2018 #64

Yes, and those attitudes are certainly unfair and should be put on the proverbial "scrap heap"... InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #75

IOW, there's no possible reason to oppose Clinton except misogyny, right? Jim Lane Dec 2018 #237

HRC is subject to misogyny, as she was in both 2008 and 2016. StevieM Dec 2018 #9

Hillary has proven she has an enormously hard head Hortensis Dec 2018 #74

Hillary is certainly welcome to run, like any other prospective Democratic candidate... InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #78

If she has. Remember, she would consider she has Hortensis Dec 2018 #83

I don't think she has given much thought to the matter. StevieM Dec 2018 #124

Your probably right... she certainly gave the last election everything she had. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #143

As Biden should... he's earned it! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #307

I have no problem with Biden, Sanders, Warren or anyone else running. StevieM Dec 2018 #312

Have to look more into Steyer... don't know much about him. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #313

Hillary isn't going away, but she also isnt going to run again. All the abuse she has put up with still_one Dec 2018 #13

If we don't unite for the fight in 2020 vs the Nazi-in-Chief, the results could again be disasterous InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #50

That may be, but in my view it would be prudent to choose a Democratic nominee that wasn't part of still_one Dec 2018 #56

You have a point, though I respectfully disagree somewhat but then that speaks in favor of Joe Biden InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #62

I am pretty sure if Biden is able to run he will, and while he did NOT run in 2016, he isn't a new still_one Dec 2018 #68

I'm not going to be forgetting any of it ismnotwasm Dec 2018 #162

Great question oberliner Dec 2018 #15

It's certainly her absolute right! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #81

I would take Clinton over Biden in a primary. WeekiWater Dec 2018 #16

I'd hafta go with Joe... eight years as VP gives him a leg up on Hillary... InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #93

Solid case. WeekiWater Dec 2018 #204

Same. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #219

The only person in modern politics who ran again after losing and won: mn9driver Dec 2018 #17

I would much prefer Joe Biden to Hillary, but if she wants to run Sherman A1 Dec 2018 #21

Wow, sounds an awful like democracy... hey, I'm all for it!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #89

reagan dsc Dec 2018 #40

I think they're referring to previous nominees who came back to win the presidency EffieBlack Dec 2018 #42

Romney redux is not impossible. Croney Dec 2018 #54

And Nixon had not won the popular vote the first time treestar Dec 2018 #97

Like it or not, HRC has baggage. Sneederbunk Dec 2018 #18

So does Biden. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2018 #20

Unfortunately Sugarcoated Dec 2018 #100

HRC handily won the Democratic nomination and the GE popular vote. lapucelle Dec 2018 #127

Most of it created by Russians that's not true and could be done to anyone uponit7771 Dec 2018 #117

You see "baggage" I see luggage. delisen Dec 2018 #128

So does Biden. Garrett78 Dec 2018 #139

Not nearly as much, as small as it is. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #301

Arguably more, actually. Garrett78 Dec 2018 #309

Sheesh EffieBlack Dec 2018 #310

The anti-Clinton, pro-Biden people are so transparent with their sexism. Garrett78 Dec 2018 #311

Who had more baggage than Trump? HipChick Dec 2018 #164

The optics are important. We need a new face. Buckeyeblue Dec 2018 #19

the main diff is she ran as nominee and lost nt msongs Dec 2018 #22

As opposed to running twice for the nomination and not making it through the primaries? EffieBlack Dec 2018 #26

I'm not supporting Biden, but a relevant data point is he then went on to win the Vice Presidency Tom Rinaldo Dec 2018 #49

Hillary was a national figure before she even ran for president EffieBlack Dec 2018 #52

Correct Tom Rinaldo Dec 2018 #60

Good point. John Fante Dec 2018 #161

Whereas Biden twice failed in an effort just to become the nominee. Garrett78 Dec 2018 #30

I personally like her, she can do what she wants but her favorability ratings are still very low Quixote1818 Dec 2018 #23

One of the reasons I don't think she would run. jalan48 Dec 2018 #37

Clearly... Hillary is obviously politically savvy & knows the difficult challenge of that reality. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #308

I hope so. jalan48 Dec 2018 #316

I think we all know the answer to that. cwydro Dec 2018 #25

Not this again hueymahl Dec 2018 #29

Yes, THIS again EffieBlack Dec 2018 #41

Not Gotcha hueymahl Dec 2018 #113

It could be a trick. Turbineguy Dec 2018 #31

A trick by who? Stinky The Clown Dec 2018 #38

By the Democratic Party. Turbineguy Dec 2018 #69

I'm not understanding this either. lapucelle Dec 2018 #146

The candidate is elected in the primaries. How would "the Party" "switch" candidates? N/T lapucelle Dec 2018 #134

Huh?? InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #280

Why do people keep asking when did you stop beating your mother questions? Ms. Toad Dec 2018 #32

Aren't you making the same sort of assumption you just criticized the OP for? Stinky The Clown Dec 2018 #36

I mistakenly assumed everyone understood the problem with "When did you stop beating your mother" Ms. Toad Dec 2018 #103

Agreed. It's a false premise. hueymahl Dec 2018 #116

I assumed it was gender - but it wasn't a question inviting discussion. Ms. Toad Dec 2018 #122

Or, that those who believe Joe has the right to run, also believe Hillary does too. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #191

Not the point I was making, but certainly a possibility. Ms. Toad Dec 2018 #205

I gotcha... fair point. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #218

Part Misogyny; Part Clinton Fatigue; Part Pent Up Frustration kennetha Dec 2018 #33

Interesting - but Biden isn't a progressive EffieBlack Dec 2018 #45

which was my point. kennetha Dec 2018 #47

If Hilary were to primary against Biden (or that old NotADemocrat guy), I'd be all in for HRC. Stinky The Clown Dec 2018 #35

But, she's a girl, see... MineralMan Dec 2018 #43

I'm supporting and voting for the Democratic presidential nominee in 2020. Paladin Dec 2018 #44

Who said those things? LongtimeAZDem Dec 2018 #46

I'm not sure "toxic" is the right word... but, clearly, Joe does much better with Independents... InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #88

Because she's polling below Trump Loki Liesmith Dec 2018 #51

Biden is still bathing in Obama's reflected glory. That won't continue pnwmom Dec 2018 #55

Biden's Pre-Obama record will not hurt him much standingtall Dec 2018 #85

The Obama cover will only go so far EffieBlack Dec 2018 #87

It will go a lot further than you think standingtall Dec 2018 #94

Something tells me you're not a woman who remembers the Anita Hill hearings. pnwmom Dec 2018 #109

Anita Hill hearings were almost 20 years before he was Vice President standingtall Dec 2018 #118

Without Obama at the top of the ticket, he will NOT do fine. pnwmom Dec 2018 #125

He will do fine with minorities standingtall Dec 2018 #135

It could help him to have an African American as VP, but this won't help pnwmom Dec 2018 #138

You're speaking for all minority voters? EffieBlack Dec 2018 #140

Not sure what your inferring standingtall Dec 2018 #144

True - and that base of support is not limited to white people EffieBlack Dec 2018 #153

Agreed if Biden is going to run standingtall Dec 2018 #158

If Hillary had to answer for - again and again - 20-year-old legislation she didn't even vote for EffieBlack Dec 2018 #168

Yes. I want to know why Hillary giving a speech about that 1994 crime bill is responsible for betsuni Dec 2018 #181

This what Betsuni said ... Every single word EffieBlack Dec 2018 #188

+++++ infinity JHan Dec 2018 #317

Biden's son didn't die in Iraq. xor Dec 2018 #270

His legislation has helped to put millennials under a mountain of student loan debt pnwmom Dec 2018 #96

Would only hurt him in a primary standingtall Dec 2018 #102

Millennials always have an alternative -- they can decide not to vote at all. pnwmom Dec 2018 #108

And he will be able to deflect the right wing attacks standingtall Dec 2018 #110

Obama didn't make student loan debts dischargeable during bankruptcy. pnwmom Dec 2018 #112

but how many of them specifically want to discharge them treestar Dec 2018 #246

Many, like me, know of someone who did have to take bankruptcy pnwmom Dec 2018 #260

It's the kind of thing average and independent voters treestar Dec 2018 #262

It is so close to almost impossible that 99.1% of people IN BANKRUPTCY pnwmom Dec 2018 #263

That applies to ANY Democratic candidate ... EffieBlack Dec 2018 #141

There are people older than millenials hurt by his bankruptcy reform JonLP24 Dec 2018 #159

Yes, that's true. But millennials often don't vote in high numbers, pnwmom Dec 2018 #165

I don't know if I'm a millenial JonLP24 Dec 2018 #167

I rather vote for Anita Hill n/t delisen Dec 2018 #130

Maybe you encourage her to run standingtall Dec 2018 #136

She is? EffieBlack Dec 2018 #57

It sure isn't a poll of Democrats I can tell you still_one Dec 2018 #63

Actually it is her standing amung Dems that has caused her to drop so much Quixote1818 Dec 2018 #111

Here's one: Loki Liesmith Dec 2018 #223

You're going to be just as exhausted trying to get any other Dem "up to baseline" EffieBlack Dec 2018 #225

What poll is that? Obviously it isn't a poll of Democrats. You know, Democrats who determine who still_one Dec 2018 #61

I'm not pushing a Hillary run or discouraging a Biden candidacy EffieBlack Dec 2018 #67

I realize exactly the point you were making Effie. It was brilliant, though I think still_one Dec 2018 #80

I don't think it is progressives pushing Biden JonLP24 Dec 2018 #150

How can that be? treestar Dec 2018 #101

Here you go Quixote1818 Dec 2018 #114

It is higher than it appears to have been in 2016 treestar Dec 2018 #119

I would like neither of them to run & both of them to campaign for dem candidates. -nt CrispyQ Dec 2018 #66

I reject your premise since I don't think it's an awesome idea for Biden to run. elocs Dec 2018 #73

I want them both to run. sellitman Dec 2018 #79

People are really high on a Biden/Beto ticket. violetpastille Dec 2018 #82

Biden is a white dude. A white dude will rescue us nt LexVegas Dec 2018 #84

What a stupid fucking question made just for clickbait bitterross Dec 2018 #86

Thanks for taking the time to write a 6-paragraph response to my "stupid fucking clickbait" question EffieBlack Dec 2018 #90

You're welcome. bitterross Dec 2018 #95

Your explanation actually made a lot of sense... well done!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #314

IMO it is possible people want the establishment back treestar Dec 2018 #104

I'd like to think you are correct. bitterross Dec 2018 #105

Gee, for a For a "stupid fucking question made just for clickbait", you sure gave a long response still_one Dec 2018 #235

I don't think Biden meets with much approval on DU treestar Dec 2018 #91

I mostly hear... Mike Nelson Dec 2018 #106

Biden has a shot... Baconator Dec 2018 #267

It's the Misogyny and It's Not Just Directed at Hillary dlk Dec 2018 #107

You know, that is pretty offensive hueymahl Dec 2018 #120

Don't assume that Dotard will be running again. Grasswire2 Dec 2018 #115

+1 violetpastille Dec 2018 #121

You also shouldn't assume that divisive figures won't R B Garr Dec 2018 #198

Because he's a great campaigner, and she's not. RichardRay Dec 2018 #129

It's certainly true that Joe's one helluva campaigner; another check in the plus column for him. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #145

She's a better candidate than he is EffieBlack Dec 2018 #149

I'll never understand, it's a very weird "inconsistent" metric that is applied. JHan Dec 2018 #178

I know, right? EffieBlack Dec 2018 #189

I can only think of 1 explanation for the pro-Biden, anti-Clinton crowd. Garrett78 Dec 2018 #222

I have no doubt EffieBlack Dec 2018 #224

agreed. It's fairly transparent. JHan Dec 2018 #236

She just BARELY beat Trump RichardRay Dec 2018 #220

Just "BARELY" - by 3 miillion votes (not counting the stolen ones) EffieBlack Dec 2018 #221

My back is fine, thank you. RichardRay Dec 2018 #282

Yes, it often gets out of joint at the powerful odor of hypocrisy ... EffieBlack Dec 2018 #285

She destroyed Trump in all three debates, even with the media spinning for him StevieM Dec 2018 #292

Yep, she did RichardRay Dec 2018 #320

I disagree that Trumop won them as campaign events. I remember them benefitting her at the time StevieM Dec 2018 #321

I don't think either should run. alphafemale Dec 2018 #132

Not feeling Biden either. BlueWI Dec 2018 #137

This is a waste of time PJMcK Dec 2018 #156

Where did she definitively rule out another run? kennetha Dec 2018 #160

You completely missed my point EffieBlack Dec 2018 #169

Neither should run. Nor go away. Just help other Dems get elected as needed. Nanjeanne Dec 2018 #166

Misogyny lunamagica Dec 2018 #170

I mean, it's pretty clear - Dems have already lost a presidential election with Hillary. Drunken Irishman Dec 2018 #171

Biden hasn't lost yet. Voltaire2 Dec 2018 #172

If Hillary wants to run again, then she should Gothmog Dec 2018 #174

her choice; I'd vote for her Hermit-The-Prog Dec 2018 #176

Good question caraher Dec 2018 #177

Biden doesn't have the stigma of a presidential loss John Fante Dec 2018 #179

No one does, other than Clinton, Kerry, Mondale, and Dukakis EffieBlack Dec 2018 #190

Losing a primary doesn't have the same negative effect. John Fante Dec 2018 #194

if she ran again, would she be the presumptive nominee? KayF Dec 2018 #180

Anyone should run if they want to, but the party should in no way prefer one Vinca Dec 2018 #183

I don't know that I want Biden, but Hillary already lost to dump. D23MIURG23 Dec 2018 #184

Because Uncle Joe is seen as a white working class hero. betsuni Dec 2018 #187

Duh -- because of a penis obamanut2012 Dec 2018 #195

No, because she has too much baggage and is too polarizing. Biden is Biden and Hillary is Hillary. LBM20 Dec 2018 #197

I have watched the RW use her as a punching bag for almost 30 years. There's your "baggage" and Hekate Dec 2018 #201

That Biden's baggage gets ignored sort of proves the poster's point. Garrett78 Dec 2018 #206

society finds women's baggage heavier treestar Dec 2018 #247

This mcar Dec 2018 #200

Misogyny dressed up as political punditry Hekate Dec 2018 #202

It Somewhat Seems that Way erpowers Dec 2018 #283

Because some people think Joe Biden can win the swing states. njhoneybadger Dec 2018 #208

That seems to be more of a problem on DU than among actual voters EffieBlack Dec 2018 #213

Some, without saying it outright, seem to think we must nominate a white male. Garrett78 Dec 2018 #214

I think you nailed it. EffieBlack Dec 2018 #215

I'll say it outright; I think it gives us a better shot. LongtimeAZDem Dec 2018 #226

I think turnout for our nominee will be greater if we nominate a woman or person of color. Garrett78 Dec 2018 #227

Donnelly and McCaskill voted against Rapey Brett. BlueStater Dec 2018 #228

Obviously, I disagree, but I'm open to possibilities. /nt LongtimeAZDem Dec 2018 #230

A woman or person of color is just as likely to pull in plenty of extra votes EffieBlack Dec 2018 #231

I don't believe that will be the case until we fix the gerrymandering LongtimeAZDem Dec 2018 #242

People said that in 2008 back when America wasn't ready for a black president EffieBlack Dec 2018 #232

Neither do we overcome it by irrational pandering LongtimeAZDem Dec 2018 #250

Running a minority or female candidate is "irrational pandering?" EffieBlack Dec 2018 #253

Yes, if that is the only reason for doing so. LongtimeAZDem Dec 2018 #255

Why did you bring up Palin? EffieBlack Dec 2018 #258

It was in response to your "America wasn't ready for a black president" LongtimeAZDem Dec 2018 #261

You rally believe that the only reason Obama won was because of Palin? EffieBlack Dec 2018 #268

No, I didn't say that was the only reason. You're just picking a fight, and I'm not interested /nt LongtimeAZDem Dec 2018 #271

You keep denying you meant what you just said EffieBlack Dec 2018 #273

Me Too not liking Biden for his actions treestar Dec 2018 #245

First of all, we're talking about getting the nomination. Not the general election. Garrett78 Dec 2018 #265

oh sure, I agree treestar Dec 2018 #319

This message was self-deleted by its author KPN Dec 2018 #233

I can't decide between Jerry Brown and Walter Mondale Bucky Dec 2018 #234

It's not Dorian Gray Dec 2018 #239

Because 48 percent of the Country really loves her quaker bill Dec 2018 #241

I hope neither of them runs Bettie Dec 2018 #243

Who has said what your OP says? thesquanderer Dec 2018 #248

Hillary has stated she is not running. Period. tavernier Dec 2018 #249

Electability zaj Dec 2018 #251

Biden's lost twice before when he ran on his own EffieBlack Dec 2018 #254

Biden reinvested himself... plus hes naturally charming. zaj Dec 2018 #275

Simple GitRDun Dec 2018 #252

Even though I feel Hillary would be the best candidate lancelyons Dec 2018 #257

Is anyone really saying that? Or are two statements being confused for one? Victor_c3 Dec 2018 #259

The republican hate machine was successful Crazyleftie Dec 2018 #264

We need our best candidate... Baconator Dec 2018 #266

Because the only metric should be "WHO HAS THE BEST CHANCE TO WIN" scheming daemons Dec 2018 #269

Exactly this /nt LongtimeAZDem Dec 2018 #272

You must have missed the fact that the GOP and Russians STOLE WI, MI, PA from Hillary EffieBlack Dec 2018 #274

Because she lost once already Yuorik57 Dec 2018 #276

Hillary lost the general election. Biden never ran in the general. MarvinGardens Dec 2018 #286

You're right - Biden never lost a General because he was never able to make it to the general EffieBlack Dec 2018 #287

Kerry shouldn't run either because he lost the general. MarvinGardens Dec 2018 #289

Since you brought up precedent ... EffieBlack Dec 2018 #290

You're right. MarvinGardens Dec 2018 #291

Carson, Cruz, and Rubio aren't white, so more than one. n/t BlueStater Dec 2018 #315

Beto been speaking to prominent black Democrats in recent days. Gothmog Dec 2018 #298

Because Biden never won the Democratic Party's nomination, Hillary has Polybius Dec 2018 #302

I know. Nixon was also the last vice president to win the presidency without directly following the EffieBlack Dec 2018 #304

Nixon never should have run again Polybius Dec 2018 #306

This explains why so many Bernie supporters came out swinging against Beto O'Rourke this week Gothmog Dec 2018 #322