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Denzil_DC

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56. This has been brewing for a while, just under the radar for some in the UK, not just in the USA.
Tue Dec 11, 2018, 01:34 AM
Dec 2018

The case was brought by a collaboration between English QC Jolyon Maugham and some Scottish politicians before a Scottish court (we have our own legal system up here) because the yellow media like the Daily Mail in England would have gone apeshit calling the judges "enemies of the people" etc. etc. all over again, and nobody needs that clouding the water. It was eventually referred to the ECJ, and an advisory opinion released a week or two ago was borne out by this judgment. It's just confirming what was already strongly suspected, as Lord Kerr, who drafted Article 50, has always insisted unilateral withdrawal of it was an option.

It doesn't really suit the EU itself - its line has been that Article 50 can be withdrawn only with the consent of the 27, not least because it doesn't want any other member states going through the motions of leaving in future as a bargaining ploy without any penalties attached. I expect the future Article 50 process to be reviewed to take account of this development at some point.

The decision does at least cut away one excuse from the Brexiters - it's mindboggling that exploration of all the options wasn't carried out by the UK government and civil service - but I'm afraid it's unlikely to change anything. It just confirms that sticking by Article 50 is a political decision, not a legal one.

May seems intent on running out the clock on Brexit until the end of next March and having the UK leave with no deal (perhaps not coincidentally, that might protect some of the UK's major dark money interests from some of the ramifications of the EU's crackdown on tax evasion and moneylaundering), and all this running around in pursuit of impossible incoherent deals is probably just for show. Little else makes sense of the cack-handed way this whole debacle has been dealt with, though sheer incompetence can't be ruled out as a factor.

A while back, Parliament granted the government a wide range of autocratic powers ("Henry VIII clauses" ), supposedly to smooth the transition period when a lot of legislation might need to be changed and passed very quickly without time for full parliamentary scrutiny, and soon that's going to come home to roost, under another prime minister if not May. The refusal - so far, at least - to allow MPs to vote on May's deal when it looks certain it would be defeated is just the beginning.

At the moment, Labour's leadership seems content to see all this happen while making half-hearted noises of opposition, and is in no hurry to attempt a no confidence motion that might trigger an election before then - it's very unlikely they'd have the numbers anyway, the Tories would likely circle the wagons (for fear of losing their seats), the DUP kingmakers probably wouldn't want to deal with Corbyn, not least because of his past support for Sinn Fein and dealings with the IRA, nor a Labour government under anyone else, and the opinion polls aren't favourable despite the governmental mess.

Corbyn's idea seems to be to wait till Brexit comes about, then go for an election, after which we're all set for a spot of disaster socialism.

I'm sure that will work out well.

No shit. Do over time! Wounded Bear Dec 2018 #1
Vladimir Vladimirovitch must be fuming DFW Dec 2018 #2
Thanks, DFW. Putin, Farage, Bannon, and Trump can all just go blm Dec 2018 #3
Second the motion DFW Dec 2018 #5
LOL secondwind Dec 2018 #26
I know you are all having a yuck about chainsaws, but don't we become the enemy with this imagery? DemocracyMouse Dec 2018 #41
Nope. orangecrush Dec 2018 #51
*snort*chortle*guffaw* NBachers Dec 2018 #52
You don't care? DemocracyMouse Dec 2018 #54
Third! orangecrush Dec 2018 #50
Has anyone been watching Madam Secretary? luvtheGWN Dec 2018 #20
Love the show riverbendviewgal Dec 2018 #21
You would think the entire left would be wise to his maneuvering by now, yet, blm Dec 2018 #23
And get it on tape, just like at the Saudi Arabian consulate. erronis Dec 2018 #27
May postponed BREXIT vote unc70 Dec 2018 #4
I know, I know DFW Dec 2018 #6
Could these 2 events be related? triron Dec 2018 #32
Here's hoping... Cirque du So-What Dec 2018 #7
The Russians wanted Brexit Turbineguy Dec 2018 #8
This could reset options for those who'd become resigned. Hortensis Dec 2018 #9
best case: barbtries Dec 2018 #10
i don't know enough about the politics in the uk, but i gotta think that unblock Dec 2018 #11
Yet pro Brexit Jeremy Corbin wooing DUP bronxiteforever Dec 2018 #12
Agreed. The UK needs new leadership at both ends of the spectrum. n/t DFW Dec 2018 #16
+1! bronxiteforever Dec 2018 #18
No, Corbyn is right that his solutions do work OK for the fundamental wish of the DUP muriel_volestrangler Dec 2018 #44
Interesting points! Based on your comment I can bronxiteforever Dec 2018 #46
Yay! Exit Brexit! KPN Dec 2018 #13
+1 grantcart Dec 2018 #15
So that'd be a Brexexit? Hong Kong Cavalier Dec 2018 #48
I like Brexexexit! KPN Dec 2018 #57
EU is throwing Britain a lifeline. yardwork Dec 2018 #14
They sure did! DFW Dec 2018 #17
Now, what ever the UK does, they can't blame the EU for getting in the way. It's UK's ball now. TheBlackAdder Dec 2018 #19
And I think both the EU and Britain/UK will be stronger for surviving the interference erronis Dec 2018 #29
Good! gademocrat7 Dec 2018 #22
The Russians Duped the Brits (as Well as Americans) dlk Dec 2018 #24
Putin is the actual evil genius. brush Dec 2018 #25
Yup. erronis Dec 2018 #30
I agree, China is a real problem but we need a real president to tackle it... brush Dec 2018 #33
Nobody wants to admit they've been played for suckers DFW Dec 2018 #28
Now our high court should invalidate the last general election. triron Dec 2018 #31
Yep, the repugs have stacked SCOTUS with extreme right wingers... brush Dec 2018 #34
Trouble is, our highest court could only do so on constitutional grounds DFW Dec 2018 #35
Why would we want them to do that? k8conant Dec 2018 #53
This is certainly excellent news Hekate Dec 2018 #36
That would be great. LisaM Dec 2018 #37
France and Belgium regularly pass measures that contradict European Law DFW Dec 2018 #38
I guess they wanted it in writing. Thyla Dec 2018 #39
Maybe they will take another look at the chance, now that it's official DFW Dec 2018 #40
I think they have backed themselves into such a tight corner Thyla Dec 2018 #42
No, this is a court ruling, not "what the EU have stated the whole time" muriel_volestrangler Dec 2018 #45
May's best way out of this mess malaise Dec 2018 #43
If they get to do a do-over, can we have that chance too? BigmanPigman Dec 2018 #47
Good news. lindysalsagal Dec 2018 #49
Britain needs to fullly join the EU. roamer65 Dec 2018 #55
This has been brewing for a while, just under the radar for some in the UK, not just in the USA. Denzil_DC Dec 2018 #56
No wonder I hadn't heard of it DFW Dec 2018 #58
I'll have to take your word about what you say happened in the past. Denzil_DC Dec 2018 #59
I saw it first hand and know some people involved on both ends DFW Dec 2018 #60
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