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R B Garr

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95. Your focus has shifted here. But it's still unrealistic

Thu Dec 13, 2018, 09:45 PM

Dec 2018

idealism and other types of blame for something so unrealistic, so your claim about principles isn’t really accurate. Bill Clinton shuttered some military bases as a carryover from the Cold War winding down. He left office with a surplus because of his budgets and taxing the rich. He had a lot of political courage, but alienated many to achieve those goals. Edit: many job losses from the military base scale back, and other Democratic groups from other cuts.

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'You don't just get to say that you're progressive': The left moves to defend its brand [View all] DonViejo Dec 2018 OP

I like it. Clear guidelines are important to avoid KPN Dec 2018 #1

Oh, for fuck's sake. Squinch Dec 2018 #2

Except incoming Ways and Means Committee chair Rep. Richard Neal (D-Mass.) denverbill Dec 2018 #4

You have two choices: choice 1: You can demand that all Democrats toe the Squinch Dec 2018 #7

Ps: Joe Lieberman wasn't a Democrat Squinch Dec 2018 #8

Yes he was. Caliman73 Dec 2018 #27

He defected in 2008. He caucused with the Democrats but so does Sanders. Squinch Dec 2018 #50

P. S. Yes he was. whathehell Dec 2018 #31

Yes he was. He was Gore's running mate. denverbill Dec 2018 #49

Caucusing with the Democrats does not make one a Democrat. He defected in 2008. Squinch Dec 2018 #51

When did Neal defect? denverbill Dec 2018 #52

See post 7. Squinch Dec 2018 #54

I kind of ignored post #7. denverbill Dec 2018 #59

Kay. Squinch Dec 2018 #60

+1000 Power 2 the People Dec 2018 #61

He wasn't?? disillusioned73 Dec 2018 #84

He defected before the Obamacare discussions. He left the party in 2008. Squinch Dec 2018 #85

In other words... disillusioned73 Dec 2018 #86

What is everyone's issue with this? He wasn't a Democrat Squinch Dec 2018 #87

These nasty smears about people haven't worked. Maybe people R B Garr Dec 2018 #10

The Democratic Party supports a smaller defense budget? BlueWI Dec 2018 #13

Yet Vermont doesn't have any of that. R B Garr Dec 2018 #25

VT is, however, the home of the $1,500,000,000,000 military boondoggle lapucelle Dec 2018 #58

Luckily for the representatives of that state, they're not regularly accused of being beholden betsuni Dec 2018 #75

Exactly, thanks, lapucelle! Thanks for pointing out the hypocrisy of R B Garr Dec 2018 #83

I asked us to name a champion on our side on these issues. BlueWI Dec 2018 #71

This is just more excuses for the double standards. Note R B Garr Dec 2018 #82

Yawn. BlueWI Dec 2018 #88

Your focus has shifted here. But it's still unrealistic R B Garr Dec 2018 #95

Bill Clinton definitely deserves credit for these actions. BlueWI Dec 2018 #97

Like most of these screeds, they are biased, self-serving and abstract. R B Garr Dec 2018 #98

? BlueWI Dec 2018 #99

Same to you. I was thinking the same about you. R B Garr Dec 2018 #100

Let's be clear about how this works: JHan Dec 2018 #38

+1 betsuni Dec 2018 #63

Show me where there is consistent, public, and determined opposition to increased defense spending BlueWI Dec 2018 #70

One from a state with no connection to the military that brings in jobs and revenue, I guess. betsuni Dec 2018 #72

You didn't answer my question, which was who is willing to advocate for change? BlueWI Dec 2018 #79

Democrats had a 60 seat filibuster-proof supermajority in the Senate for 72 days the last time betsuni Dec 2018 #80

So if activists are the solution BlueWI Dec 2018 #92

LOL betsuni Dec 2018 #96

Not sure if there's a point here. BlueWI Dec 2018 #69

the point is that Democrats cannot set the agenda right now, so through appropriations bills.. JHan Dec 2018 #73

Democrats can set the legislative agenda - in the House. BlueWI Dec 2018 #78

No, politically pushing for a shutdown JHan Dec 2018 #81

Makes sense to think about how strategiclly to make a change like this. BlueWI Dec 2018 #94

Bernie is a prominent backer of the F35. Blue_true Dec 2018 #55

Similarly, you don't just get to say that you're a Democrat...nt SidDithers Dec 2018 #3

+1000! mcar Dec 2018 #5

Beat me to it! /nt LongtimeAZDem Dec 2018 #6

Yeah! Look at the hypocritical double standards at R B Garr Dec 2018 #9

Oh Snap! Tarheel_Dem Dec 2018 #12

+1 betsuni Dec 2018 #17

Or you better have some legislative victories to back up your big talk nini Dec 2018 #21

BOOM! HEAD SHOT! NT Adrahil Dec 2018 #24

I am calling this as a thread winner! nt sheshe2 Dec 2018 #56

We're the good guys - thanks for the reminder FakeNoose Dec 2018 #62

Unless you actually join the party. Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #91

THANK you, Sid NastyRiffraff Dec 2018 #101

(sigh!) The Nothing-But-The-Best-For-The-Oppressed syndrome DinahMoeHum Dec 2018 #11

I love Raul Grijalva JonLP24 Dec 2018 #14

In other words: "You don't just get to lay claim to a term that has no clear definition." Garrett78 Dec 2018 #15

This is a site I use this is just for 2017 though JonLP24 Dec 2018 #16

That's my point. Garrett78 Dec 2018 #18

She is in the top 10 that is good enough for me JonLP24 Dec 2018 #19

You seem to be missing the point, but whatever. Garrett78 Dec 2018 #20

Well the Progressive Caucas has been around since 1991 JonLP24 Dec 2018 #22

Those positions, for the most part, are supported by most Democrats. Garrett78 Dec 2018 #26

This isn't the CBC JonLP24 Dec 2018 #29

I refer again to each of the points I made, including the reality of representing... Garrett78 Dec 2018 #33

It is nothing like this JonLP24 Dec 2018 #40

And I disagree with what Clinton did there. So... Garrett78 Dec 2018 #45

BS is not affiliated with the DSA. lapucelle Dec 2018 #65

I'll take Kamala Harris' style of Progressiveness Cha Dec 2018 #43

Thank You, Garrett. Cha Dec 2018 #39

Maybe they can establish a purity test, and offer a seal of approval! Adrahil Dec 2018 #23

Divisive Bullshit.. Dems all over the Country Cha Dec 2018 #28

Yeah, see posts #15 and #26. Garrett78 Dec 2018 #30

shes from my state..not my district..and she DOESNT get to tell ME what MY politics are.. samnsara Dec 2018 #32

Most Democrats agree with her positions. See posts #26 and #33. And this thread: Garrett78 Dec 2018 #35

Fortunately a shit ton of Democratic voters reject the title of progressive GulfCoast66 Dec 2018 #34

But universal health care (in some form) and free or at least more affordable higher education... Garrett78 Dec 2018 #42

all democrats I know favor healthcare as a right. GulfCoast66 Dec 2018 #47

We are, for the most part, in agreement. Garrett78 Dec 2018 #48

You last sentence encapsulates the whole enchilada. GulfCoast66 Dec 2018 #64

Can you name a "shit ton"? whathehell Dec 2018 #77

"Like 'progressive,' 'establishment' is a pretty meaningless term, particularly when lobbed betsuni Dec 2018 #36

Indeed. But perception and reality are often not in sync. Garrett78 Dec 2018 #46

She's my Rep. ismnotwasm Dec 2018 #37

Mahalo, ismnotwasm! Cha Dec 2018 #41

Even within the progressive caucus, you would find disagreement. Garrett78 Dec 2018 #44

That can't be! That would mean they are not all perfectly pure! Gracious! My world is rocked! Squinch Dec 2018 #53

Candidates tend to cater to 'the base' in primary season - that is how we got trump as prez. empedocles Dec 2018 #57

I disagree. Bernie Sanders himself shows that trying to define pnwmom Dec 2018 #66

The cited article calls Joe Biden a centrist. lapucelle Dec 2018 #67

Good link: this is whats is known as "walking the walk" /nt LongtimeAZDem Dec 2018 #68

Yeah, them and their Cha Dec 2018 #74

Pureline Progressives vs progressive politics delisen Dec 2018 #76

I was never a Reep .. ananda Dec 2018 #89

Yes, litmus tests are just what we need. Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #90

My personal checklist for an incumbent candidate...it's short and simple and attaches no labels pecosbob Dec 2018 #93

Authoritarian Progressivism. We've seen it before. "You can't, you don't delisen Dec 2018 #102

I will support Beto no matter what label is attached to him Gothmog Dec 2018 #103