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2. So much winning.

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US farmers 'helpless' as TPP boosts Australia [View all] SidDithers Dec 2018 OP

Be careful what you wish for. yortsed snacilbuper Dec 2018 #1

So much winning. Squinch Dec 2018 #2

K&R ismnotwasm Dec 2018 #3

Of course they are. President Obama was right.. Cha Dec 2018 #4

Correct Cha. sheshe2 Dec 2018 #7

Yes, Obama warned us. MBS Dec 2018 #8

Not just those farmers, but you and me and everyone else very soon.. pangaia Dec 2018 #18

I'm not. Drahthaardogs Dec 2018 #50

Trump Train... czarjak Dec 2018 #5

republicans have URGENT MESSAGE for America's farmers Achilleaze Dec 2018 #6

Another one of trump's stupid moves. By 2020 trump moves will have defeated himself... brush Dec 2018 #9

yes, there's only two choices: either Dumbo is phenomenally dangerously stupid and should be impeach CharleyDog Dec 2018 #23

I Think Both are Correct. OMGWTF Dec 2018 #32

Well,that last Bean order out of Wellstone ruled Dec 2018 #10

People certainly believed all the anti-TPP crap. betsuni Dec 2018 #11

Honestly, I was one of them. phylny Dec 2018 #38

That's for sure - I remember when just about every DU OP was against the TPP airplaneman Dec 2018 #53

I was among those who thought Cha Dec 2018 #57

Me too. betsuni Dec 2018 #65

If they called you crazy, they let you off. They called others worse. Blue_true Dec 2018 #79

Well it was on DU Cha Dec 2018 #81

Yes correct I too was torn between wanting to believe Obama airplaneman Dec 2018 #142

I remember finally doing some research and deciding the TPP looked like betsuni Dec 2018 #63

Amazing how that works. Blue_true Dec 2018 #80

I think it was a very bad agreement as it was written then, and do not support it now. Celerity Dec 2018 #137

It was one of the ugliest scams Cha Dec 2018 #55

There was virulent TPP hate right here on DU. Blue_true Dec 2018 #77

Never EVER DFW Dec 2018 #119

Russia paid good money for that (nt) Recursion Dec 2018 #131

WINNING! snort Dec 2018 #12

Remember lots of Democrats opposed to TPP, particularly Sanders' supporters. Hoyt Dec 2018 #13

certain provisions where potentially noxious concerning national environmental regs. paleotn Dec 2018 #17

Well, those opposed helped defeat Clinton. So where do those "provisions" put us now with trump? Hoyt Dec 2018 #19

Yup. Skidmore Dec 2018 #22

yes, this will hit us hard, and will never be recovered and could worsen if China wants it to: CharleyDog Dec 2018 #25

Reminds me of the ol' ideology horseshoe: George II Dec 2018 #31

Never recovered is the correct terminology. dhol82 Dec 2018 #43

Also remember that Hillary Clinton opposed it Jim Lane Dec 2018 #125

After saying as SoS it set the gold standard for trade agreements BeyondGeography Dec 2018 #126

There has been a lot of analysis... MrsCoffee Dec 2018 #130

... BeyondGeography Dec 2018 #132

Yeah, you go with that. MrsCoffee Dec 2018 #134

So what was her stand on TPP again? BeyondGeography Dec 2018 #135

Your question was how did we lose to Trump. MrsCoffee Dec 2018 #136

Yes indeed. MrsCoffee Dec 2018 #129

Are you saying that Hillary Clinton was led astray? Jim Lane Dec 2018 #141

and? Who are US farmers again generally? We should make trade deals...we just shouldn't make shitty JCanete Dec 2018 #138

The TPP didn't do that, being the same as every agreement we and other countries signed since 1959 Hoyt Dec 2018 #139

bought it. own it. paleotn Dec 2018 #14

They? Sure. But - What about you, me and every other American pangaia Dec 2018 #20

Yup. dhol82 Dec 2018 #44

Looks like Trump outsmarted himself yet again. PatrickforO Dec 2018 #15

I don't think he is acting stupidly, by mistake. pangaia Dec 2018 #21

Well, with the help of McConnell and the rest of the republican commissariat. dhol82 Dec 2018 #45

I guess you are right there.. pangaia Dec 2018 #90

They seem tired of winning. JDC Dec 2018 #16

The "stable genius" strikes again. SergeStorms Dec 2018 #24

US farmers support Trump. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #26

If you recall the original TPP was a corporate give-away Crazyleftie Dec 2018 #27

This is what I remember. Perhaps I was wrong? Or did it change? phylny Dec 2018 #39

No such thing.. that was Cha Dec 2018 #68

Or at least, that's the line we were handed. Adrahil Dec 2018 #98

I like how it was a diabolical secret and yet they know it's a corporate give-away. betsuni Dec 2018 #102

"American wheat and beef producers have been particularly vocal" AJT Dec 2018 #28

Didn't congress approve bailouts for the farmers? Iliyah Dec 2018 #29

yep, they got YUGE bailouts, They all have big, red tRumpster signs on their elmac Dec 2018 #36

Yeah, that was a twelve billion dollar windfall for them. dhol82 Dec 2018 #46

Follow The Money Me. Dec 2018 #30

I'm sure tRump will bail them out, if their good, party members. nt elmac Dec 2018 #33

TPP was an unfair, unscrupulous and destructive treaty Farmer-Rick Dec 2018 #34

TPP was just another big corporate welfare program, would have just hurt the working class. nt elmac Dec 2018 #37

Yeah, the WTO and UN dispute rules are so corrupt that almost every Hoyt Dec 2018 #52

TPP is not good overall TheFarseer Dec 2018 #35

No, the TPP is needed to counterbalance China's massive influence. SunSeeker Dec 2018 #42

Don't buy that argument TheFarseer Dec 2018 #58

That doesn't change the reality whether Cha Dec 2018 #60

It also doesn't change the fact TheFarseer Dec 2018 #66

Those who tried to Demonize TPP were Wrong. Cha Dec 2018 #69

Very obviously only your opinion TheFarseer Dec 2018 #76

Not "only mine". Cha Dec 2018 #78

+1 SunSeeker Dec 2018 #100

Mahalo, Cha Dec 2018 #114

+2 betsuni Dec 2018 #103

Mahalo, betsuni! Cha Dec 2018 #116

+3 ismnotwasm Dec 2018 #115

Mahalo, ismnotwasm! Cha Dec 2018 #117

Your understanding of the TPP is factually incorrect. SunSeeker Dec 2018 #93

You are dead wrong about the TPP. And since you brought up Vietnam... SunSeeker Dec 2018 #91

If it would have reigned in corporations TheFarseer Dec 2018 #101

The TPP would have helped US companies sell their products in Asia. SunSeeker Dec 2018 #104

No. I dont want the provision Electrical Arc Dec 2018 #82

Fine. Strike any provision that is unfair. SunSeeker Dec 2018 #88

Those provisions also let AFL-CIO sue countries that stop unionization efforts Recursion Dec 2018 #133

Do you prefer to be Shot or Hung Option. MarcA Dec 2018 #49

That's a silly analogy.. President Obama was Cha Dec 2018 #71

Wrong. Electrical Arc Dec 2018 #84

You're Wrong. Cha Dec 2018 #85

Saying something makes it true! betsuni Dec 2018 #86

Why, of course.. trump and others Cha Dec 2018 #120

The TPP would have benefited labor and the environment. SunSeeker Dec 2018 #95

And what about ISDR provision? Electrical Arc Dec 2018 #96

The solution was to negotiate a fairer provision, not abandon the whole process. SunSeeker Dec 2018 #99

The TPP would have been better than the nothing we have now. SunSeeker Dec 2018 #94

And just like with the Affordable Care Act, the Public Option was never offered. MarcA Dec 2018 #105

ACA passed Congress with a public option. betsuni Dec 2018 #109

Lieberman is why we don't have the public option, not Tester. SunSeeker Dec 2018 #110

+1 betsuni Dec 2018 #106

Yeah, can't imagine why any country would agree to WTO and UN dispute mechanisms Hoyt Dec 2018 #54

Not quite TheFarseer Dec 2018 #64

WTO rules require agreements like TPP to have acceptable dispute mechanisms. In any event, do you Hoyt Dec 2018 #70

Yeah, BS and his buzzwords. Cha Dec 2018 #72

The dispute mechanism went above and beyond TheFarseer Dec 2018 #87

Same dispute mechanism we and other countries have used since 1959. You didn't answer my question. Hoyt Dec 2018 #89

No TheFarseer Dec 2018 #97

I remember how much Trump bashed Hillary for supporting the goals of the TPP. SunSeeker Dec 2018 #40

But the farmers are going to win BIGLY in the end, according to Donald. keithbvadu2 Dec 2018 #41

Pity. Lessons learned, maybe. NurseJackie Dec 2018 #47

Those people who were at the DNC with "No TPP" LisaM Dec 2018 #48

The news just keeps getting better and better. ooky Dec 2018 #51

American wheat and beef producers have been particularly vocal. ananda Dec 2018 #56

Half this board was ready to haul out the guillotines Codeine Dec 2018 #59

More than half I'd say. I felt Cha Dec 2018 #61

Yes, I remember your bravery and admire you for it. SunSeeker Dec 2018 #111

Oh good.. a witness! Cha Dec 2018 #118

I was always pro-TPP tammywammy Dec 2018 #67

I get it. The opposition, particularly the Jackpine Radical folks, were brutal even if they had no Hoyt Dec 2018 #74

It really is amazing. We've gone from bashing Obama and perhaps costing Clinton the election, to Hoyt Dec 2018 #73

it was the cool thing to be JI7 Dec 2018 #107

The TPP was negotiated in secret by a coalition lutherj Dec 2018 #62

Big secret, we knew everything in it, not to mention it was like just about every other Hoyt Dec 2018 #75

You forgot the Illuminati, they were there too. betsuni Dec 2018 #83

You would know about that. -- Lori Wallach, the director of Global Trade Watch, made numerous lutherj Jan 2019 #144

True. But many including some on DU prefer personal attack distractions. n/t MarcA Dec 2018 #92

Trump is hurting AMERICAN farmers Gothmog Dec 2018 #108

Yes, and he's helping Putin and China. nt SunSeeker Dec 2018 #112

Absolutely! Cha Dec 2018 #123

Oh the Irony of reading all the pro-TPP posts and blaming trump for it. GulfCoast66 Dec 2018 #113

The TPP was happening with or without us, and Obama tried to seize the opportunity to make sure we.. Cha Dec 2018 #121

Perfect is the enemy of good... WePurrsevere Dec 2018 #128

Exactly, WePurrsevere! Cha Dec 2018 #143

"Sanders joined by Rust Belt Dems, praises trump for nixing TPP" Cha Dec 2018 #122

I'm still proNAFTA tirebiter Dec 2018 #124

Good luck. Both group of supporters seem to think we'll be better off trading among ourselves Hoyt Dec 2018 #140

the tpp redistributes wealth upward. Kurt V. Dec 2018 #127