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BumRushDaShow

(128,959 posts)
29. Not my "lense"
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 02:49 PM
Feb 2019

it is what has been LEFT OUT of the history of this country. I.e., the rest of the story.

You can't possibly ignore all the folks who were already there who were interacting with both the English and even the indigenous groups in the area.

The whole use of the term "1619" is bogus as it is.

This pretty much sums it up -

Telling the story of 1619 as an “English” story also ignores the entirely transnational nature of the early modern Atlantic world and the way competing European powers collectively facilitated racial slavery even as they disagreed about and fought over almost everything else. From the early 1500s forward, the Portuguese, Spanish, English, French, Dutch and others fought to control the resources of the emerging transatlantic world and worked together to facilitate the dislocation of the indigenous peoples of Africa and the Americas. As historian John Thornton has shown us, the African men and women who appeared almost as if by chance in Virginia in 1619 were there because of a chain of events involving Portugal, Spain, the Netherlands and England. Virginia was part of the story, but it was a blip on the radar screen.

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In that light, the most poisonous consequence of raising the curtain with 1619 is that it casually normalizes white Christian Europeans as historical constants and makes African actors little more than dependent variables in the effort to understand what it means to be American. Elevating 1619 has the unintended consequence of cementing in our minds that those very same Europeans who lived quite precipitously and very much on death’s doorstep on the wisp of America were, in fact, already home. But, of course, they were not. Europeans were the outsiders. Selective memory has conditioned us to employ terms like settlers and colonists when we would be better served by thinking of the English as invaders or occupiers. In 1619, Virginia was still Tsenacommacah, Europeans were the non-native species, and the English were the illegal aliens. Uncertainty was still very much the order of the day.

When we make the mistake of fixing this place in time as inherently or inevitably English, we prepare the ground for the assumption that the United States already existed in embryonic fashion. When we allow that idea to go unchallenged, we silently condone the notion that this place is, and always has been, white, Christian, and European.

Where does that leave Africans and people of African descent? Unfortunately, the same insidious logic of 1619 that reinforces the illusion of white permanence necessitates that blacks can only be, ipso facto, abnormal, impermanent, and only tolerable to the degree that they adapt themselves to someone else’s fictional universe. Remembering 1619 may be a way of accessing the memory and dignifying the early presence of black people in the place that would become the United States, but it also imprints in our minds, our national narratives, and our history books that blacks are not from these parts. When we elevate the events of 1619, we establish the conditions for people of African descent to remain, forever, strangers in a strange land.

Read more: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/misguided-focus-1619-beginning-slavery-us-damages-our-understanding-
F this clown Blues Heron Feb 2019 #1
Northam doesn't take orders from DUers Yosemito Feb 2019 #3
ooo burn Blues Heron Feb 2019 #6
No, it's true. Polly Hennessey Feb 2019 #30
No it's not, you're wrong Polly Blues Heron Feb 2019 #49
It suddenly occurs to me that he might be a useful clown. Mister Ed Feb 2019 #4
Go read something jberryhill Feb 2019 #9
Doubt they signed up as indentured servants when they were forced onto Blues Heron Feb 2019 #13
That was an aberation that was corrected tout suite and not in the "indenture slaves" interest ... marble falls Feb 2019 #17
Good advice. VA's governor knows the state's history of course. Hortensis Feb 2019 #31
Oh God. I voted for him. Is it too much to ask for those we elect to at least have common sense. rusty quoin Feb 2019 #2
There was a thread on this yesterday. He is actually correct. Ms. Toad Feb 2019 #5
That doesn't say what you think it says BumRushDaShow Feb 2019 #10
. jberryhill Feb 2019 #14
But the assumption with this argument BumRushDaShow Feb 2019 #15
Hmmm missing your point. What you posted... Adrahil Feb 2019 #19
Did you read the links I posted? BumRushDaShow Feb 2019 #20
Please cite that quote. marble falls Feb 2019 #18
Classic Comic ain't good history, son. LanternWaste Feb 2019 #25
You are chosing to look with one lense. Blue_true Feb 2019 #24
Not my "lense" BumRushDaShow Feb 2019 #29
Northam's reference point was right, as was his statement. Blue_true Feb 2019 #42
Your post actually refutes what Northam insisted on. BumRushDaShow Feb 2019 #46
"the first indentured servants from Africa" BumRushDaShow Feb 2019 #7
No, he was right jberryhill Feb 2019 #8
See this post BumRushDaShow Feb 2019 #11
The article that you linked does not support your argument. Blue_true Feb 2019 #26
See my response here BumRushDaShow Feb 2019 #34
Whatever supports the white supremacy myths n/t wellst0nev0ter Feb 2019 #54
The "history" of North America needs to be started all over. nt BumRushDaShow Feb 2019 #56
You are incorrect, and that article doesn't say that obamanut2012 Feb 2019 #35
See this post. BumRushDaShow Feb 2019 #39
It's so hard for some to utter the word 'slave'. sprinkleeninow Feb 2019 #43
I posted this here- BumRushDaShow Feb 2019 #47
Yes, this reference made perfect sense as part of a conversation about his use of blackface EffieBlack Feb 2019 #50
Well PBS needs to go talk to Virginia state historians. rogue emissary Feb 2019 #60
To supplement your post BumRushDaShow Feb 2019 #68
No, he was right obamanut2012 Feb 2019 #33
No. BumRushDaShow Feb 2019 #40
Jumping to conclusions again treestar Feb 2019 #12
How did this idiot ever graduate from med school? jcmaine72 Feb 2019 #16
Why? For stating historical facts? obamanut2012 Feb 2019 #36
"Still learning"? Aristus Feb 2019 #21
Then you should know what he said was correct obamanut2012 Feb 2019 #37
Um...no. Aristus Feb 2019 #48
Not at first. He was correct. Loki Liesmith Feb 2019 #53
What do indentured servants have to do with blackface and the KKK, the topic he was discussing? EffieBlack Feb 2019 #51
Some people learn early, I guess. Blue_true Feb 2019 #63
As a military dependent, I attended Department of Defense schools. Aristus Feb 2019 #64
You had forward thinking teachers. My teachers were good, but played things close to the vest. Blue_true Feb 2019 #65
Dear Virginia ... Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2019 #22
Northam was right, Gayle King was wrong. Blue_true Feb 2019 #23
This n/t obamanut2012 Feb 2019 #38
He may have been technically accurate in saying some Africans were indentured servants EffieBlack Feb 2019 #52
A lot of Whites that are not racist have a problem talking about slavery. Blue_true Feb 2019 #62
It's difficult to reconcile his attending desegregated schools with black students and the racist EffieBlack Feb 2019 #66
Maybe repentance should involve education? loyalsister Feb 2019 #27
Thats the way its supposed to be: You repent, you atone, you go and sin no more. marble falls Feb 2019 #28
"not all early European settlers" loyalsister Feb 2019 #32
He's made a sorry hash of explaining it and apologizing for it. marble falls Feb 2019 #41
That's my take. eom sprinkleeninow Feb 2019 #45
True loyalsister Feb 2019 #55
What he doesn't realize about those 1619 "indentured" slaves is that they were brought in ... marble falls Feb 2019 #58
tortured logic loyalsister Feb 2019 #61
Bingo! marble falls Feb 2019 #67
You repent/show contrition, say penance. Then go sin some more. sprinkleeninow Feb 2019 #44
Does anyone truly believe that he was making a super-nuanced point here? theboss Feb 2019 #57
I think he believes his less than facile tongue will somehow talk all this away. Instead ... marble falls Feb 2019 #59
He was repeating the viewpoint of some historians, that the legal system of slavery in VA pnwmom Feb 2019 #69
To what point? Empowerer Feb 2019 #70
Just a slip, many atrocities against one group overlapping with another? Hortensis Feb 2019 #71
But what do "indentured servants" have to do with his point Empowerer Feb 2019 #72
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