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Caliman73

(11,736 posts)
39. We have always had our own government to worry about.
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 08:27 PM
Feb 2019

All countries act in their own interest.

I agree that different Israeli governments have engaged in practices that can easily be criticized, but it looks like your post is implying that the US stands in solidarity like some kind of jilted partner. The US engages in the very same practices that Israel and other countries engage in, to promote our interests.

We have removed duly elected leaders, invaded countries, made up stories about attacks on our naval vessels to drum up war, talked about weapons of mass destruction, spied on our allies. All of that.

Trump is an evil bafoon, but make no mistake, from Grandpa Eisenhower to President Obama, we have been involved in dealings all over the world as well. It is just easier to point out what the "other guys" are doing.

Israel may in fact not be our "friend". Israel may simply be the foothold we have in the middle east. The country we can unleash on other powers to disrupt and destabilize the region. We say, "bad Israel, don't do that" but whenever anyone wants to sanction or condemn we block it all at the UN.

This is an increasingly common notion in especially right-wingers. Shell_Seas Feb 2019 #1
Yes elleng Feb 2019 #2
+1,000 n/t malaise Feb 2019 #3
True, but in an internet based world all that matters is Twitter hits... Wounded Bear Feb 2019 #4
It does help if you avoid traditional anti-semetic tropes. hack89 Feb 2019 #5
I think people are missing that connection frazzled Feb 2019 #6
Pointing out the existence of an Israel lobby wellst0nev0ter Feb 2019 #10
It is how you characterize that lobby that matters. hack89 Feb 2019 #14
Did Ilhan Omar do any of that? wellst0nev0ter Feb 2019 #17
Then why did she apologize for suggesting support for Israel is "all about the Benjamins"? DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2019 #18
She was under pressure from other dems wellst0nev0ter Feb 2019 #24
This is true DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2019 #27
I am talking in the general case hack89 Feb 2019 #20
We both know what topic du jour we're talking about wellst0nev0ter Feb 2019 #25
You are trying too hard to be offended hack89 Feb 2019 #30
Manipulating through money is what all Bettie Feb 2019 #32
Ok. Nt hack89 Feb 2019 #35
I agree with your take. Blue_true Feb 2019 #43
Agreed Bettie Feb 2019 #44
No. But people are trying awful hard to make it that way. Bok_Tukalo Feb 2019 #7
You can do that without allusions to Coventina Feb 2019 #8
In what way is her comment about Jews being greedy? localroger Feb 2019 #11
It's all about the benjamins, baby Coventina Feb 2019 #12
It's not about the Jews being greedy. Full stop. localroger Feb 2019 #13
*I* did not twist anything. The rebuke came from Democratic leadership. Coventina Feb 2019 #15
Actually, most of the people falling on their fainting couches have obvious motives localroger Feb 2019 #16
You are free to disagree, of course. Coventina Feb 2019 #22
If you can refer me to any historical stereotypes localroger Feb 2019 #23
Are you serious? Google is your friend. Coventina Feb 2019 #26
Usury is not "spreading money around." localroger Feb 2019 #28
Actually, the stereotypes are out there. Caliman73 Feb 2019 #37
Yes, there are sterotypes about Jews and money. No, there are not localroger Feb 2019 #41
So you are saying that it has to be completely specifically about one particular stereotype? Caliman73 Feb 2019 #42
I think hit has to be about a stereotype that actually exists localroger Feb 2019 #46
Anti-Zionism is not anti-Semitism. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #9
It is Possible to Make a Valid Criticism Without Using Racial Stereotypes dlk Feb 2019 #19
Israel is not really our friend and never has been. liberalmuse Feb 2019 #21
+1 flibbitygiblets Feb 2019 #29
+2 old guy Feb 2019 #34
We have always had our own government to worry about. Caliman73 Feb 2019 #39
I don't disagree with too much of what you post. GulfCoast66 Feb 2019 #45
Agreed RAAD2 Feb 2019 #31
Here, here! debsy Feb 2019 #33
Thank you! Duppers Feb 2019 #36
Yup. Truth is truth, regardless of race, color or creed (or nationality). Evolve Dammit Feb 2019 #38
It's easy to say it is moondust Feb 2019 #40
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