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Showing Original Post only (View all)Why the United States will never have high-speed rail [View all]
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/02/13/why-united-states-will-never-have-high-speed-rail/?utm_term=.25a2d4a47a77
California likes to think of itself as the state where the future happens, and in 2008, its voters decided the future was high-speed rail. In November of that year, they approved a $9 billion bond issue to begin one of the most ambitious government infrastructure projects in U.S. history: a bullet train connecting San Francisco and Los Angeles, at a cost of $33 billion.
For years, the optimists have spun starry visions of millions of Californians traveling quickly, comfortably and environmentally consciously between the states two major population centers. The pessimists, meanwhile, have grimly watched the projected costs mount. At last count, the estimates had traveled northward of $75 billion, and for all anyone could tell, were still climbing.
On Tuesday, during his first State of the State speech, Gov. Gavin Newsom (D) called for the state to scale back the project to a less costly leg that would run through the Central Valley much simpler to build in large part because there are relatively few people there who might want to raise objections to the project, or, say, ride a high-speed train. California voters can stop clutching their wallets. But voters elsewhere should pay close attention, because what happened in California illustrates the perils that face any U.S. rail project, or for that matter, any project at all that tries to meaningfully reshape U.S. infrastructure.
Almost anyone who travels abroad comes back wondering why every other country in the world seems to have cheap, speedy rail travel while Americans can barely go out for a cup of coffee without enduring either the tedium of an endless road-trip or the indignities of the TSA. Sadly, there is no one reason; rather, there are many reasons, all of them hard-to-impossible to fix, all of them conspiring to deprive us of the (gee-whiz!) trains that many of us would like to ride.
California likes to think of itself as the state where the future happens, and in 2008, its voters decided the future was high-speed rail. In November of that year, they approved a $9 billion bond issue to begin one of the most ambitious government infrastructure projects in U.S. history: a bullet train connecting San Francisco and Los Angeles, at a cost of $33 billion.
For years, the optimists have spun starry visions of millions of Californians traveling quickly, comfortably and environmentally consciously between the states two major population centers. The pessimists, meanwhile, have grimly watched the projected costs mount. At last count, the estimates had traveled northward of $75 billion, and for all anyone could tell, were still climbing.
On Tuesday, during his first State of the State speech, Gov. Gavin Newsom (D) called for the state to scale back the project to a less costly leg that would run through the Central Valley much simpler to build in large part because there are relatively few people there who might want to raise objections to the project, or, say, ride a high-speed train. California voters can stop clutching their wallets. But voters elsewhere should pay close attention, because what happened in California illustrates the perils that face any U.S. rail project, or for that matter, any project at all that tries to meaningfully reshape U.S. infrastructure.
Almost anyone who travels abroad comes back wondering why every other country in the world seems to have cheap, speedy rail travel while Americans can barely go out for a cup of coffee without enduring either the tedium of an endless road-trip or the indignities of the TSA. Sadly, there is no one reason; rather, there are many reasons, all of them hard-to-impossible to fix, all of them conspiring to deprive us of the (gee-whiz!) trains that many of us would like to ride.
This is a very sobering opinion piece for those of us who like to dream of high speed rail. The uniquely American cost and legal environment is pretty shitty.
High speed rail might be better used in metro areas to start, from an airport to downtown, for example. Shanghai has maglev from their airport to downtown.
We'll see. Elon Musk has made a career of doing things that people have said he can't do.
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High-speed rail, Miami to Orlando to Tampa would be expensive to build,
JustABozoOnThisBus
Feb 2019
#44
Florida already has High-speed rails. And it's doing quite well and has merged with Virgin
Cetacea
Feb 2019
#71
I'm sure people said the same thing about the Federal Interstate Highway System
Mr. Quackers
Feb 2019
#100
HSR is just as fast. It's 1.5 hrs to fly from LA to SF, plus 1 hr in the airport for security.
SunSeeker
Feb 2019
#7
Plus you'd still need to check in an go through security to get on the train.
meadowlander
Feb 2019
#15
Oh come on, check in at trains is nothing like going through security at SFO or LAX.
SunSeeker
Feb 2019
#19
They are spending millions in Fresno building an elevated portion of the corridor
A HERETIC I AM
Feb 2019
#6
Unrec. The article basically says we can't build any major infrastructure projects. Bullshit.
SunSeeker
Feb 2019
#9
No, the rural section of CA's HSR (Merced to Bakersfield) is exactly what IS going forward.
SunSeeker
Feb 2019
#17
Well of course. That is why they should complete the full length of it, LA to SF. nt
SunSeeker
Feb 2019
#22
This is also the reason for the 8 lane highways and the horrendous traffic jams west of NYC
DFW
Feb 2019
#26
One could make the argument General Motors and Firestone were equally culpable
Brother Buzz
Feb 2019
#42
Part of that plays into the idea that public transportation can bring the public to you.
theboss
Feb 2019
#46
It's not, excessive regulations in California killed the high speed railway project
ansible
Feb 2019
#57
There has been talk of running an experimental hyperloop between St Louis and KC
xmas74
Feb 2019
#43
Lol the issue is simple, not enough population density to support tens of billions in investment
grantcart
Feb 2019
#54
Funny how something that makes sense in China doesn't make sense in California.
grantcart
Feb 2019
#74
Lol typically? Really? Except none of what you refer to applies to SoCal where the airports are base
grantcart
Feb 2019
#103
China doesn't have to worry about private property rights nor environmental impact
theboss
Feb 2019
#78
When was the last time you made it from downtown LA to downtown SF in 6 hours?
SunSeeker
Feb 2019
#84
When was the last time you made it from downtown LA to Irvine in 6 hours?
LongtimeAZDem
Feb 2019
#88
It took us 2 hours and 45 minutes to get from the La Brea Tar Pits to Anaheim one Friday evening
LongtimeAZDem
Feb 2019
#94
People have no choice. It's a terrible situation with no alternatives for most folks.
SunSeeker
Feb 2019
#96
Republicans did everything to run up cost and delay which also ran up cost. We are the 5th
onecaliberal
Feb 2019
#77