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WeekiWater

(3,259 posts)
Wed Feb 20, 2019, 02:20 PM Feb 2019

Many of us might find ourselves with a Bernie/Biden problem. [View all]

There is still a lot of time, and Biden hasn't entered, but I do see something happening if he does.

I am convinced with our current field that Sanders can lose almost half of his support from last go around in the early states and still do extremely well. Possibly even win. That is not a far stretch with twelve plus candidates, six or more being well funded, with the perception that they are true contenders. I don't think many of those in my corner, the anti-Sanders corner, are really thinking that out. I think that is the way things will shake out. Maybe they are thinking it out and that is why the response to him entering has been so strong.

So lets say Biden jumps in. He will be extremely well funded and will immediately be at or near the top. He will have strong connections and a very strong team. I truly think if he jumps in it will become a race between he and Sanders, leaving our parties best back in the lurch. I don't think Sanders or Biden are even close to the best we have to offer. That is my opinion. Please don't get me wrong, I think Biden is an exemplary human being. That is not what I mean when I say I don't think he is even close to the best we have to offer. I think Biden simply benefits from the fact that he had such a close relationship with someone we all hold up on a pedestal. President Obama. Biden is no Obama.

So if it does become something along those lines I think people like me are going to have a difficult choice in the primaries. No one wants to throw their vote away in a primary and primary votes can be used to stop someone. But who? I truly don't know who I would vote for if it looks like a two way race when it gets to Florida. I really think some people are going to be shocked at how well Sanders does and how that really can create a two person field, out of necessity, pretty quickly. I truly dislike Sanders. I have made no secret of that. But I am much more in-line with him ideologically than I am with Biden, when Biden's whole career is looked at. Biden is an overall economic conservative and I think that is not what we need. At all. Seems people have forgotten many of Biden's past positions on economic issues. I would really be torn.

I don't think I'm the only one who sees how this very well could play out. I was extremely happy about our primary field until Sanders jumped in. He is filling no void at all. If Biden jumps in I really feel some of those I like most will be pushed to the side. It will become the Biden Sanders show. They will be the best funded and have the strongest teams. I cannot vote for an economic conservative unless it is in the general and I have to. Call me ageist, I really don't care. I wish the old white mans club would sit this one out.

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"Call me ageist, I really don't care." dogman Feb 2019 #1
No need to insert any of those. WeekiWater Feb 2019 #2
Joe has an easy 20+ yrs in front of him... Dennis Donovan Feb 2019 #3
I cannot make that guess about Biden. WeekiWater Feb 2019 #4
I know you wouldn't do that. Dennis Donovan Feb 2019 #5
One term and then bdamomma Feb 2019 #39
I would prefer to have an incumbent. Not a candidate in waiting planning on winning the primary. WeekiWater Feb 2019 #44
We will see bdamomma Feb 2019 #47
He's 76 now. BlueStater Feb 2019 #6
It's 2019, not 1919... Dennis Donovan Feb 2019 #8
When all else fails, reliance on anecdotal evidence LanternWaste Feb 2019 #13
Post Joe's obit... Dennis Donovan Feb 2019 #14
Now I am really confused. n/t rzemanfl Feb 2019 #58
Actually, current male life expectancy in the US Codeine Feb 2019 #68
For smokers and drinkers, maybe... Dennis Donovan Feb 2019 #69
Implying there is a correlation is absurd. not_the_one Feb 2019 #7
But we've never faced this kind of national security threat from 1600... Dennis Donovan Feb 2019 #10
Except it isn't. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2019 #22
Young people in that case are also victims of ageism. dogman Feb 2019 #34
Which is exactly what I said. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2019 #41
I have no problem with Biden ripcord Feb 2019 #9
I think he is one of the best men to have graced DC. WeekiWater Feb 2019 #12
yes bdamomma Feb 2019 #40
I think any of those you named ripcord Feb 2019 #59
I'll only vote for someone who can put-in EIGHT full years... NurseJackie Feb 2019 #11
I feel we have such a strong field that a placeholder shouldn't even be considered. WeekiWater Feb 2019 #15
You and I think the same! NurseJackie Feb 2019 #16
What if Biden is the only Dem who can stop Bernie and prevent a general election loss? DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2019 #19
That is what I think. thus, I will vote for VP Biden. Demsrule86 Feb 2019 #27
One of the goofiest ideas promoted by some on DU is this idea of a transitional president. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #56
I will vote for someone who can win in 20. Sanders has the name recognition to take the primary but Demsrule86 Feb 2019 #29
Do either of them have the stamina to last for four years? NurseJackie Feb 2019 #31
I don't know but a Democrat will replace them. We have to win in 20. We will end up with Demsrule86 Feb 2019 #32
Technically true (regarding the replacement) but many voters may be unlikely to... NurseJackie Feb 2019 #35
Biden has not been sickly...his Mom lived to be over a 100. I want to win. If Biden can deliver a Demsrule86 Feb 2019 #66
Okay. NurseJackie Feb 2019 #67
for sure. bdamomma Feb 2019 #42
I'm going to support the Democrat who is most able to beat Trump in the Electoral College. CrossingTheRubicon Feb 2019 #17
I think this might be the debate I end up having with myself. WeekiWater Feb 2019 #18
It only becomes the Biden-Sanders show if the media makes it that way. DFW Feb 2019 #20
I believe the media will cover Sanders more than anyone else. WeekiWater Feb 2019 #21
Completely unjustified, but probably so. DFW Feb 2019 #25
I like Biden bdamomma Feb 2019 #43
I've always liked him DFW Feb 2019 #52
The only problem I will have is if Biden doesn't jump in the race. Autumn Feb 2019 #23
I don't know what that void would be. WeekiWater Feb 2019 #26
They do to me. Both he and Biden fill a void. Bernie on economic issues and climate change Autumn Feb 2019 #33
I see your point about Biden. WeekiWater Feb 2019 #36
You might not see the void Sanders fills for me, but I see it. Clear as a bell. nt Autumn Feb 2019 #37
Good ole Bernie bdamomma Feb 2019 #45
You got it. Autumn Feb 2019 #46
Remember when Biden said bdamomma Feb 2019 #48
That cracked me up. Only Joe. Autumn Feb 2019 #49
I am voting for Biden the Democrat. I will not vote for Sanders in a primary. Demsrule86 Feb 2019 #24
You get what I'm saying. Thank you. WeekiWater Feb 2019 #28
The future of the Democratic Party does not lie with two 80-year-old white guys. BlueStater Feb 2019 #30
And they're probably just as mistakenly enamored with name recognition polls as many on DU. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #57
Time to move on loyalsister Feb 2019 #38
You repeatedly state in every paragraph how you don't like Bernie, but you spend the rest of each politicaljunkie41910 Feb 2019 #50
Please show me where I did this one single time. WeekiWater Feb 2019 #51
Sorry to just now be getting back to you, I was babysitting my grand baby while her parents are at politicaljunkie41910 Feb 2019 #60
Grand baby! WeekiWater Feb 2019 #61
Thank you. I really misjudged you and I'm glad you let me know. It won't happen again. politicaljunkie41910 Feb 2019 #64
One thing bothers me about Biden's to-date non-candidacy... Moostache Feb 2019 #53
And so I would ask myself, "Who did Obama already choose?" Deb Feb 2019 #54
I agree that both are far from our best option, but I don't agree with your forecast. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #55
As interesting as I find your ideological disillusioned73 Feb 2019 #62
Both have a right to run if they want to. Blue_true Feb 2019 #63
I dont'... Wounded Bear Feb 2019 #65
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