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whathehell

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159. Sure, and I have relatives who would argue with them..

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 04:31 AM

Mar 2019

There ARE reasons he won the Presidency four times.

Tell you what -- How 'bout you and AOC turn in your Social Security cards, denounce the nation's historians, then maybe start a protest against Unions as a first step in denouncing the Democratic Party's signature achievement as "racist"?

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Love it when AOC pushes Wingnuts' buttons; not so much mine about FDR [View all] UTUSN Mar 2019 OP

I mean, she's not wrong. Dr Hobbitstein Mar 2019 #1

Justice FRANKFURTER, above. Baby/bathwater, above. UTUSN Mar 2019 #2

Really? whathehell Mar 2019 #13

Some recommended reading: PETRUS Mar 2019 #22

We're talking about the New Deal specifically.. whathehell Mar 2019 #26

The Federal Housing Administration was part of the New Deal. PETRUS Mar 2019 #27

So spell out how the Federal Housing Authority, as instituted whathehell Mar 2019 #30

No. PETRUS Mar 2019 #36

You don't have time to explain what you're talking about, yet you want us to read a book... George II Mar 2019 #43

FDR's administration made no attempt to prevent denial of loans to Blacks, Blue_true Mar 2019 #67

Then bag it, dear whathehell Mar 2019 #70

Here's something short of reading a book caraher Mar 2019 #47

Truman, Kennedy and Johnson tried to do something about redlining, Blue_true Mar 2019 #71

Thank you fot posting this. Love to see people shown facts Celerity Mar 2019 #162

Redlining. femmedem Mar 2019 #54

He allowed local officials and banks to redline, the Feds could have prevented that. Blue_true Mar 2019 #64

Read The Atlantic article "The Case for Reparations" and you'll see Merlot Mar 2019 #95

Here is the working link (thank you, btw): demmiblue Mar 2019 #99

The FHA (Federal Housing Authority) was created as part of the new deal Blue_true Mar 2019 #60

And women too...nt 2naSalit Mar 2019 #94

True leaders push for what is right, even when there is stiff resistance. Blue_true Mar 2019 #58

Sure, handling the Great Depression AND World War II was a piece whathehell Mar 2019 #73

LOL, isn't that convenient? Mariana Mar 2019 #81

When defending FDR's record on racial policies, namahage Mar 2019 #93

Um, no, that would be the Great Depression PLUS World War Ii whathehell Mar 2019 #98

I have relatives that would have disagreed he couldn't have handled the war any better. Tiggeroshii Mar 2019 #131

Sure, and I have relatives who would argue with them.. whathehell Mar 2019 #159

Tel ya what. Tiggeroshii Mar 2019 #164

Tell ya what. whathehell Mar 2019 #165

AOC didn't argue that FDR didn't do some exceptional things. Blue_true Mar 2019 #96

But he wasn't PERFECT! NastyRiffraff Mar 2019 #144

Who the hell said he WAS? whathehell Mar 2019 #156

Wagner Act of 1935 allowed unions to discriminate on the basis of race, for one Spider Jerusalem Mar 2019 #78

Do you have any idea how racist Abe Lincoln would seem today? whathehell Mar 2019 #80

The New Deal did not benefit all Americans, though, is the point (n/t) Spider Jerusalem Mar 2019 #83

Oh yes PatSeg Mar 2019 #120

Yes, Lincoln would definitely fail whathehell Mar 2019 #167

Oh you're welcome PatSeg Mar 2019 #168

Thanks, PatSeg.. whathehell Mar 2019 #171

Yes I certainly have an idea how Lincoln would seem today. Caliman73 Mar 2019 #175

."a nation built on racism and sexism"? How about a World built on them? whathehell Mar 2019 #176

New Deal coalition was held in place by Jim Crow radius777 Mar 2019 #126

That's one opinion.. whathehell Mar 2019 #160

Didn't redlining start under FDR? DeminPennswoods Mar 2019 #65

On Ignorance Horizens Mar 2019 #109

"FDR/Eleanor, were tireless, absolutely relentless in pushing for equal rights" Dr Hobbitstein Mar 2019 #110

If Horizens Mar 2019 #111

If you knew any history, you'd know that FDR started it with an EO. Dr Hobbitstein Mar 2019 #133

"but on race relations he fell way short" whathehell Mar 2019 #173

You like to make excuses for locking up US citizens based on race. Dr Hobbitstein Mar 2019 #178

Post removed Post removed Mar 2019 #179

What I like is calling out things as racist which are racist and not having Dr Hobbitstein Mar 2019 #180

Sure..Uh huh..Right.. whathehell Mar 2019 #181

This... yuiyoshida Mar 2019 #127

+10000 Celerity Mar 2019 #163

I'm with you there.. whathehell Mar 2019 #3

Yay for you and me! Maybe she should try judging by 1931 standards!1 UTUSN Mar 2019 #4

Correct.. whathehell Mar 2019 #9

Yeahbut.....was he "pure"? George II Mar 2019 #48

Lol!.. Exactly!. They push against purity tests in the present whathehell Mar 2019 #103

I agree Bettie Mar 2019 #6

Exactly.. She's disappointingly short sighted there whathehell Mar 2019 #8

The very same viewpoint is expressed here Bettie Mar 2019 #62

The racist policies of the New Deal were racist then, and are racist now. WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2019 #17

Being so sure of that claim, I'm sure you're able to.tell us just what whathehell Mar 2019 #23

Sure. WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2019 #29

The Racial Inequities in the New Deal were not totally the Fault of the President whathehell Mar 2019 #39

Seems like maybe you're moving the goalposts caraher Mar 2019 #49

Seems like maybe you are.. whathehell Mar 2019 #53

I'm not slamming FDR caraher Mar 2019 #86

She was slamming him whathehell Mar 2019 #102

So you know what benefits AOC better than she does? BlueWI Mar 2019 #121

Lol..We're not here to "benefit" AOC -- Her job is to benefit the citizens whathehell Mar 2019 #155

AOC mentioned a very common historical conclusion BlueWI Mar 2019 #169

As others here have noted, her "conclusion" regarding whathehell Mar 2019 #170

I mentioned Social Security in my last post. BlueWI Mar 2019 #172

I've already addressed that issue. whathehell Mar 2019 #174

OK, now we have what she actually said caraher Mar 2019 #149

Lol.. What she "actually" said is what I quoted her as saying.. whathehell Mar 2019 #154

Then WHY did she name it the Green NEW DEAL? appalachiablue Mar 2019 #158

You asked me about the New Deal, not the president. WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2019 #115

Like.... loyalsister Mar 2019 #45

No, not like that.. whathehell Mar 2019 #46

But, those were different times is your argument loyalsister Mar 2019 #51

First of all, no one ne's expressing "unconditional admiration" whathehell Mar 2019 #63

Why not both? loyalsister Mar 2019 #84

She called the ENTIRE New Deal "racist", that's why whathehell Mar 2019 #97

It's an objective truth loyalsister Mar 2019 #113

The thing that burns me. Blue_true Mar 2019 #74

I don't get it loyalsister Mar 2019 #114

The problem is some people only want the good talked about. Blue_true Mar 2019 #118

There is no need to whitewash history loyalsister Mar 2019 #125

Wrong! Like that. Blue_true Mar 2019 #72

Lol! whathehell Mar 2019 #76

I agree Dem2 Mar 2019 #123

Retrospective "purity tests" maybe? whathehell Mar 2019 #166

FDR was a great man, but deeply flawed. MicaelS Mar 2019 #5

Some people criticize LBJ for not doing this or that. LBJ may have done all that was possible, empedocles Mar 2019 #10

I'm now convinced to vote for Hoover, Landon, Wilkie, and DEWEY!1 UTUSN Mar 2019 #11

Oh please. MicaelS Mar 2019 #138

Common tactic. Go to extremes when your argument is weak. Caliman73 Mar 2019 #177

Appalling is an Understatement! Fdr did not like Jews!!!! 4139 Mar 2019 #33

Many Jewish people were denied refuge here and sent back to Europe to die. Blue_true Mar 2019 #75

To be fair Trumpocalypse Mar 2019 #136

With the exception of Henry Morgenthau Trumpocalypse Mar 2019 #135

He was flawed, as is everyone, but he wasn't "deeply flawed". George II Mar 2019 #50

He had some major, major shortcomings. Blue_true Mar 2019 #77

I do not think he would survive. Nor would Eleanor. MicaelS Mar 2019 #139

He also didn't allow the SS St. Louis leftynyc Mar 2019 #134

In sports, commentators who are not necessarily the best or brightest, often at least note, empedocles Mar 2019 #7

Yip, sports types have fairly often surprised me into admiring them. Sometimes!1 UTUSN Mar 2019 #15

Which is why we need a New, Improved, Green, 100% Certified Pure FDR dalton99a Mar 2019 #12

Not to mention a god/being!1 UTUSN Mar 2019 #16

A just god dalton99a Mar 2019 #18

Oh my lord why are people so mad about these new congresspeople speaking the truth? WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2019 #14

I usually try to answer questions that appear to be sincerely asked, so here goes: UTUSN Mar 2019 #21

Fair enough. She's still right. WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2019 #24

+1 demmiblue Mar 2019 #66

She's still wrong, and lies by omission in whathehell Mar 2019 #161

When you can back up the blanket assertions you've made whathehell Mar 2019 #28

I lulz'd KG Mar 2019 #19

FDR saved the economy and bolstered the middle class nini Mar 2019 #20

+1. A historian's view: dalton99a Mar 2019 #25

Great article nini Mar 2019 #42

The Democratic coalition then is basically DeminPennswoods Mar 2019 #69

If he had made an effort to totally franchise Blacks, Blue_true Mar 2019 #79

Unfortunately local govt and companies that ran many of the programs nini Mar 2019 #104

We got an end to segregation because the federal government stepped in. Blue_true Mar 2019 #106

It just never ends. George II Mar 2019 #31

Take heart, George. Mariana Mar 2019 #90

Growing up in South, I was always confused by the racists' love/reverence for FDR. George Wallace, Hoyt Mar 2019 #32

You got it right that racists became republicans. Blue_true Mar 2019 #82

It's not the least bit surprising, really. Mariana Mar 2019 #89

I revere FDR, just as I do Lincoln. Neither did EVERYTHING right. ON balance, they were exceptional hlthe2b Mar 2019 #34

So what's up with all the Cha Mar 2019 #35

Boom! mcar Mar 2019 #38

That's my fear. RelativelyJones Mar 2019 #100

If New Deal programs were more inclusive for minorities, Southern Democrats would never have allowed tritsofme Mar 2019 #37

Hmmm, I have a decision between doing what is morally right, Blue_true Mar 2019 #85

Meaningless blather. FDR lived in the world as it was, not as we'd like it to have been. tritsofme Mar 2019 #107

The world as it is now. Blue_true Mar 2019 #108

FDR massively shifted the Overton Window to the left and made subsequent progress possible. tritsofme Mar 2019 #112

Lyndon Johnson shifted the window to the left. Blue_true Mar 2019 #117

Without the New Deal, LBJ would have been unable to usher in his Great Society programs tritsofme Mar 2019 #122

Is she aware of who is in the WH? mcar Mar 2019 #40

Obviously Dems are the real enemy here nini Mar 2019 #41

TY, yes appalachiablue Mar 2019 #157

I guess the New Deal of the early 1930s just isn't "pure" enough. George II Mar 2019 #44

It grossly excluded entire groups of Americans. Blue_true Mar 2019 #87

That's just a minor impurity, I guess. Mariana Mar 2019 #116

I have read a lot of George's posts. He is a good man. Blue_true Mar 2019 #119

I used to hear this argument from libertarians DBoon Mar 2019 #52

Actually, Blacks had no other choice but support free market solutions. Blue_true Mar 2019 #91

I give her a chance to learn from experience lunatica Mar 2019 #55

I have a feeling this is way out of context. gtar100 Mar 2019 #56

I think you're absolutely right caraher Mar 2019 #129

+1 uponit7771 Mar 2019 #132

She is 100% right. Blue_true Mar 2019 #57

I think she is actually making a compelling point (even if the execution might leave something to be deurbano Mar 2019 #59

The product of our time argument infuriates me JonLP24 Mar 2019 #142

There is some good info in this thread (I'm not talking about the OP). n/t demmiblue Mar 2019 #61

The administration of the New Deal was racially discriminatory. liberalnarb Mar 2019 #68

And the first iteration of Social Security was sexist, in favor of women. OilemFirchen Mar 2019 #88

Its entirely fair to talk about the pros and cons of the New Deal. Eko Mar 2019 #92

It's deride a democrat day on DU. yay! Kurt V. Mar 2019 #101

She is on the money. pangaia Mar 2019 #105

So what next? jcmaine72 Mar 2019 #124

At this point, I'd like to know what she *actually* said caraher Mar 2019 #128

Here you go: demmiblue Mar 2019 #146

Marvelous! caraher Mar 2019 #148

That's B.S. demosincebirth Mar 2019 #130

Sorry Trumpocalypse Mar 2019 #137

Again with the "perfect" thing. Who/exactly is a perfect/anything (don't bring Beard in the Sky) UTUSN Mar 2019 #140

Context/ nuance?? Trumpocalypse Mar 2019 #143

Since when do context/nuance equate with not-honest? UTUSN Mar 2019 #145

When certain things are demanded Trumpocalypse Mar 2019 #147

Discussion ain't even possible without definitions in common, s'long!1 UTUSN Mar 2019 #150

True Trumpocalypse Mar 2019 #151

Haha - even "s'long" 's definition doesn't work!1 UTUSN Mar 2019 #152

I never said so long. Trumpocalypse Mar 2019 #153

That is why Truman came up with the fair deal JonLP24 Mar 2019 #141