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Honeycombe8

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Wed Mar 20, 2019, 05:32 PM Mar 2019

Al Franken's response to Trump's comments on McCain [View all]

This was posted on Al Franken's FB account today:


Former U.S. Senator Al Franken
59 mins ·

Pretty much everyone agrees that right after someone dies, it’s very bad form to say something bad about them. That’s why it’s admirable that Donald Trump waited a full seven months to say horrible things about John McCain.

First of all, and I know most Americans feel this way, it’s a disgrace that McCain allowed his plane to get shot down, broke both his arms and a leg ejecting from the plane, and then was beaten and bayonetted by North Vietnamese before being dragged to a POW camp, where he was starved and tortured for five-and-a-half years. As far as Trump is concerned, McCain sat out the war.

Yes, it’s seems heroic that after his father was named commander of U.S. forces in the Pacific, McCain refused his captors’ offer of early release. McCain claimed he refused because the early release of the admiral’s son would be a huge propaganda victory for Hanoi and demoralize his fellow American POWs. But how do we really know that? Other than that’s what all the other POW’s who were there with him say, and also that there seems to be no other explanation?

Why in God’s name is Donald Trump so obsessed with John McCain that he feels the need to attack him even when he’s dead? I mean other than that John McCain is kind of a perfect example of everything Trump is not?

I usually don’t like bullet points, but here goes.
- Endured tremendous pain for his country vs. venereal disease was his personal Vietnam*
- Told a nut that Obama wasn’t a Muslim vs. Told every nut that Obama was a Muslim
- Graduated last in his class at the Naval Academy vs. Probably graduated last in his class at Penn, but we’ll never know because Trump goon Matty Calamari visited the registrar. “Nice university you got here. Be a shame to see whoever keeps the records get roughed up. Capiche?”
- Hated tyrants vs. Loves, loves, loves tyrants!
- Tortured vs. Tortured
- Student of foreign affairs vs. Affairs
- Laughed a lot vs. Is “The Man Who Never Laughed”

I have never seen Donald Trump laugh. Have you? In fact, I think that would make a good children’s book. In the story, Ivanka would offer a prize to any American who could make her father, the President, laugh. The prize would be the most valuable Trump property the family owns! (The Trumps would double its value on paper, take a huge write-off, sticking the winner with an enormous tax bill.) Americans would line up outside the White House during executive time – comedians, mimes. magicians, storytellers, contortionists, acrobats, jugglers, impressionists – but no one could get the President to laugh. I even got an illustrator for the book. I can’t think of an ending.

Humor was another great thing about John McCain. He loved to laugh. A few years ago, John and I were asked to tape an opening before a Vikings-Cardinals game for Thursday Night Football. They put us in a Face the Nation set with former host, Bob Schieffer, interviewing us. John was fine with the script, but I wasn’t and started rewriting. John saw me scribbling away and said, “Hey, do I get to see it?”

I finished up and ran it over to him. He read it, chuckled, and gave me the thumbs up. We started with the usual generous collegial niceties, “Well, I disagree with my good friend about the Vikings running game…” and “John and I are very good friends, but Arizona’s secondary...” “My very good friend” turned into “my very dear friend” which became “my very close dear friend” which became “my extremely close dear friend” and then to me saying, “Yes. John and I are extremely close dear, dear friends. In fact, our families vacation together.”

Schieffer gave us an astonished look. “Your families vacation together?!”

“That’s right,” John deadpanned to Bob, then turned to me slightly miffed, “You know it wouldn’t hurt for you to pick up a check every once in a while!”

John and I shared a somewhat dark sense of humor. After he was diagnosed with brain cancer, John continued to come back and forth between DC and Arizona. When I thought it might his last time in DC, I went up to John and said, “Say, John, I thought I’d send you a ‘Bad News – Good News’ joke every week or so.”

He laughed and said he’d look forward to that.

A week or so later, Ron Johnson of Wisconsin speculated on a radio show that McCain had given his famous thumbs down on the Republican health care bill because he was confused from his brain cancer. I wrote John: “The bad news is that you have brain cancer. The good news is that Ron Johnson’s butt cancer has moved to his mouth.”

Every once in a while, I’d switch things up and send John a ‘Good News – Bad News’ joke. His favorite was: “The good news is that your mother is 105 and sharp as a tack. The bad news is that you have brain cancer.”

Fortunately, John came back to DC one more time. When he saw me in the well on the Senate floor, he grinned and put his arm around me, announcing to the Senators around us, “This man earned every dollar he ever got. At Saturday Night Live!”

Maybe that’s why Trump also attacked Saturday Night Live this week. Maybe he has a point. Sure, the show has made fun of every president since Nixon. But the only one SNL actually treated with complete contempt has been Donald Trump.

And Nixon.

* May 7, 1998 interview with Howard Stern, discussing the dangers of dating.


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I've made Franken's point a few time: Trump never laughs gratuitous Mar 2019 #1
I noticed that, too. He smiles sometimes when he's saying nasty things about people.... Honeycombe8 Mar 2019 #16
That's not even a smile. It's a grimace trying to look like a smile. n/t Blaukraut Mar 2019 #25
It's called a rictus. Most sphincter muscles do it - the mouth, the duodenum, the anus. erronis Mar 2019 #57
smarmy asshole 'smile'. pansypoo53219 Mar 2019 #60
You're right. It's not really a smile. It's something else. nt Honeycombe8 Mar 2019 #80
Hmmm. sacto95834 Mar 2019 #101
Me, too. "SAD!" nt Honeycombe8 Mar 2019 #102
And maybe deep down in that sad puny heart of his leftieNanner Mar 2019 #28
And he might even have heard that there will be dancing in the streets. LuckyLib Mar 2019 #58
There will also be people dancing on his grave and/or pissing on his grave. japple Mar 2019 #99
The eulogies will be fake and delivered by his cult. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2019 #69
Well said Bernardo leftieNanner Mar 2019 #88
Can't Nasruddin Mar 2019 #37
Had to look up Voigt-Kampff test. It was a machine used to tell if someone... RussellCattle Mar 2019 #66
How can he smile. He is so damn evil, he hates himself. olegramps Mar 2019 #81
You'd think he'd at least manage a villain's evil chuckle now and then IronLionZion Mar 2019 #82
I know NewJeffCT Mar 2019 #91
That's not true. He was positively giddy when he had the Russians in the WH after firing Comey. mackdaddy Mar 2019 #96
If Al Franken isn't going to run for office again.... RussBLib Mar 2019 #2
Hopefully, the next president finds a way to get Al back involved Jarqui Mar 2019 #3
I sure hope so. Chin music Mar 2019 #6
I have not forgiven her either Jarqui Mar 2019 #12
Heh heh. Chin music Mar 2019 #14
Ignoring the Franken thing, I would still have most of the other candidates Jarqui Mar 2019 #20
Me too. And, that's completely setting aside what she fostered re. Sen Franken. Chin music Mar 2019 #23
I've been reading how abysmal her handling Haggis for Breakfast Mar 2019 #45
i will vote for her barbtries Mar 2019 #54
Just fricken sad. AND no Sen. Franken. Chin music Mar 2019 #55
Gillebrand speaks in trite cliches, hope she's the 1st candidate to drop out AdamGG Mar 2019 #100
I completely agree pandr32 Mar 2019 #87
Absolutely! ailsagirl Mar 2019 #36
I sorely miss this guy in public service. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2019 #4
I want him to run for President... Dan Mar 2019 #5
Me,too. LakeArenal Mar 2019 #8
I would, in a heartbeat. I've read his books... Honeycombe8 Mar 2019 #17
I read Al's book True Blue American Mar 2019 #77
he makes me laugh .. I was SO hoping he would run this year... samnsara Mar 2019 #27
Hopefully he runs in New York itsrobert Mar 2019 #10
K & R FakeNoose Mar 2019 #7
Franken is effin' brilliant malaise Mar 2019 #9
+1. nt Honeycombe8 Mar 2019 #18
now im crying samnsara Mar 2019 #29
He'll be back malaise Mar 2019 #33
Here's one way: The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2019 #49
Wow - that does make sense malaise Mar 2019 #50
+2 CentralMass Mar 2019 #40
God I miss him. dewsgirl Mar 2019 #11
I miss you, Al UpInArms Mar 2019 #13
Al and his lovely wife are truly genuine, heart in the right place, Americans Evolve Dammit Mar 2019 #15
Where is Franken? Trumpocalypse Mar 2019 #19
That would be great! Leith Mar 2019 #59
He is still going over his possibilities. DFW Mar 2019 #67
How about once a week Trumpocalypse Mar 2019 #74
He should do what his instincts tell him to do. DFW Mar 2019 #75
Franken on point as usual ZeroSomeBrains Mar 2019 #21
I'll add my name to those who miss him enormously. NNadir Mar 2019 #22
So will I. He was one of the brightest, most decent, compassionate Senators ever smirkymonkey Mar 2019 #31
that covered a lot in a few words. i miss that Kurt V. Mar 2019 #24
He's so intelligent and an excellent writer. He's fast on his feet w/comebacks, too. Honeycombe8 Mar 2019 #32
Thanks, Gillibrand! MyOwnPeace Mar 2019 #26
thats all i think of when i see her on tv.. samnsara Mar 2019 #30
Yep! Little Star Mar 2019 #34
And Warren, Harris, Booker, Sanders Trumpocalypse Mar 2019 #47
Gillibrand led the charge & created a bandwagon effect. Her proudest moment. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2019 #70
So they were all just blind followers? Trumpocalypse Mar 2019 #73
Great way to rationalize holding two standards for one action. LanternWaste Mar 2019 #90
It was such a rush to judgement there wasn't any time to assess one standard, let alone two. . . .nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2019 #95
Okay. Won't support then in the primary either. Did Biden or Beto call for Al to resign? dem4decades Mar 2019 #76
Nope Trumpocalypse Mar 2019 #79
Yep yep yep. nt Honeycombe8 Mar 2019 #51
Wouldn't it be great to see Al Franken turn up some Saturday night on SNL? nt No Vested Interest Mar 2019 #35
+1 Oh Yeah! Chin music Mar 2019 #56
I wonder who he could play NewJeffCT Mar 2019 #92
We are in such need of Franken's active political presence. Paladin Mar 2019 #38
Miss Al Franken so much. VOX Mar 2019 #39
Another must read from Al. dalton99a Mar 2019 #41
Bravo Al mountain grammy Mar 2019 #42
K&R... spanone Mar 2019 #43
Gawd, I miss Al Franken... hlthe2b Mar 2019 #44
KICK! bluestarone Mar 2019 #46
Bravo, Al MBS Mar 2019 #48
Bravo Al!! Lifelong Protester Mar 2019 #52
KnR for Al Franken and his (genuine) friend, John McCain Hekate Mar 2019 #53
I WANT HIM BACK....... a kennedy Mar 2019 #61
Perfect! Thanks so much for posting Cha Mar 2019 #62
I miss Al BlueFlorida Mar 2019 #63
Ah, shall we bring him back in on a VP basis??? How awesome would it be for Al to be a kennedy Mar 2019 #64
+1. However, even though VPs can say things Presidents can't, he'd feel constrained. Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2019 #71
I miss Franken RANDYWILDMAN Mar 2019 #65
trump shouldn't comment anything SuperCoolPoster Mar 2019 #68
Love this! BlueMTexpat Mar 2019 #72
As much as I admire True Blue American Mar 2019 #78
I was disappointed to see his name on the list, too. Honeycombe8 Mar 2019 #86
I LOL'd. CrispyQ Mar 2019 #83
Al Franken. STILL a national treasure. calimary Mar 2019 #84
+1. We lost a very important voice, when we lost Franken. nt Honeycombe8 Mar 2019 #85
We sure did. I think that was the whole idea. calimary Mar 2019 #94
Love Al, hope he returns to politics soon. Bluepinky Mar 2019 #89
Would have been a more effective statement New Hampshire Man Mar 2019 #93
Your response would have been a more effective response... Honeycombe8 Mar 2019 #97
Actually Franken did resign Trumpocalypse Mar 2019 #98
Maybe you should read up on the way it actually happened. New Hampshire Man Mar 2019 #104
He's a great writer. Nt BootinUp Mar 2019 #103
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