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In reply to the discussion: I trust Pelosi but I'm ready for impeachment to start. [View all]marylandblue
(12,344 posts)39. We have a moral imperative. To do what will work, not what makes us feel good.
The Constitution is in tatters because they didn't predict the Senate would ever be such a bunch of wimps and weasels. They predicted that a Trump could come along, but never that the Senate would bow to him.
Federalist 65 says:
"Where else than in the Senate could have been found a tribunal sufficiently dignified, or sufficiently independent? What other body would be likely to feel CONFIDENCE ENOUGH IN ITS OWN SITUATION, to preserve, unawed and uninfluenced, the necessary impartiality between an INDIVIDUAL accused, and the REPRESENTATIVES OF THE PEOPLE, HIS ACCUSERS?"
The Senate today is not dignified, independent or confident. A fundamental assumption of the Founders has been violated and for once, Trump didn't do it. Let's get off this nonsense that Trump is our real problem. No, our real problem is the people who voted him into office and the politicians who will not, under any foreseeable circumstances, challenge him.
So we are left with only one solution, vote the bums out. Which is Nancy Pelosi's conclusion and she doesn't seem like a woman who is easily swayed when she knows she is right. Live with that, or, if you prefer, string her up right along with Mitch McConnell.
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He shouldn't be allowed to go further. Our democracy is in peril , we must fight for it.
notdarkyet
Apr 2019
#27
So the Russians helped him last time but wont this time? Taking impeachment off the table makes
uponit7771
Apr 2019
#10
Yes the Russians do care who wins IE they helped Red Don last time why would they
uponit7771
Apr 2019
#33
we can walk and chew gum at the same time. She feels safe with him in office, I don't
uponit7771
Apr 2019
#9
Only if dems make it 24/7 media circus, they can just refuse to participate in the circus and ask
uponit7771
Apr 2019
#16
True, they control their mouths and they can keep them shut not to feed the MSM
uponit7771
Apr 2019
#34
So we are going to impeach him secret? You don't think people will notice and ask a few questions?
marylandblue
Apr 2019
#38
So basically we elect kings for 4 years now ?! No, republicans wouldn't hesitate to impeach and the
uponit7771
Apr 2019
#17
Impeachment hurt republicans cause Clinton was waaaay more popular with republicans than ...
uponit7771
Apr 2019
#44
Any argument would mean "not as bad" seeing even a successful impeachment would
uponit7771
Apr 2019
#46
We have a moral imperative. To do what will work, not what makes us feel good.
marylandblue
Apr 2019
#39
We all make assumptions. You assume this is like Watergate or Pearl Harbor.
marylandblue
Apr 2019
#51
If there was no Russians to help Red Don and we were garrunteed a win this would make sense...
uponit7771
Apr 2019
#11
They impeachment proceedings will need to get his taxes and the mueller report
California_Republic
Apr 2019
#24
Classic bind: Trumpists increasingly assaulting our democracy, but "impeachment isn't worth it."
VOX
Apr 2019
#43
Timing is crucial for impeachment. I trust Pelosi-Schumer in their sense of timing.
empedocles
Apr 2019
#52