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In reply to the discussion: I am about to give up, because I can't control it or anyone. [View all]better
(884 posts)95. You're right in linking impeachment to sufficient public support.
But you are, imho, incorrectly linking public support to initiating a formal impeachment inquiry, when we should be linking public support to holding a vote on articles of impeachment. We should not lose sight of the fact that those are two distinct events, albeit both part of the same broader process.
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Excuse me, but she didn't bash the party. She asked a valid and important question.
better
Apr 2019
#64
The comment was that if they don't impeach (a futile move) then Democrats are weak.
George II
Apr 2019
#125
I'll refer you to any of the couple dozen other posts I've made today on the subject for detail.
better
Apr 2019
#129
Exactly. And also, Nixon resigned well before the proceedings even got to the Senate.
SunSeeker
Apr 2019
#132
No George, the comment was expressing a concern that Dems will be perceived as weak by voters.
SunSeeker
Apr 2019
#134
Maybe they don't trust my low post count. I've been At DU since 2001 -almost the beginning
Sucha NastyWoman
Apr 2019
#118
tactically, democrats HAVE to pass articles of impeachment in the house BUT
beachbum bob
Apr 2019
#4
I think we have moved past that, bb. We can at least lay out the indictment against him.
CTyankee
Apr 2019
#26
Hi CT. It is not just that the republicans will not go forward with a conviction.
boston bean
Apr 2019
#34
Exactly what I meant, AFTER he leaves unless somehow impeachment hearings get him
Eliot Rosewater
Apr 2019
#138
He will pardon himself of all federal charges before he leaves (or Pence will).
SunSeeker
Apr 2019
#140
yeah, yeah...it's just really depressing that it comes down to politics; nobody cares what's right
anarch
Apr 2019
#7
the public must be made to see the truth, however uncomfortable it might make them
anarch
Apr 2019
#21
well, I keep thinking we should give the public the reality TV presidency they crave
anarch
Apr 2019
#23
Lack of impeachment allows them to crow, and crow, and crow, and portray Dems as weak. ny
Grasswire2
Apr 2019
#58
We can just accept defeat before we begin, or we can SHAPE public opinion.
lagomorph777
Apr 2019
#12
Actually, yes, we are accepting defeat if we decline to even hold impeachment proceedings.
better
Apr 2019
#111
And FAR more importantly with regard to our own base, we overlook what DEFLATES them.
better
Apr 2019
#103
Because impeachment proceedings gives us access to documents that are being withheld and redacted
Fullduplexxx
Apr 2019
#38
That is not the only way to get these documents as you see Nadler subpeona'd them already.
boston bean
Apr 2019
#39
I think you are missing a key point. We will get evidence we need such as the Grand Jury
Nevermypresident
Apr 2019
#89
I agree. It's hard to imagine, but I think that impeaching Trump at this time
Arkansas Granny
Apr 2019
#19
Yes, AG. We are always great with shooting ourselves in the foot with circular firing squads.
boston bean
Apr 2019
#20
Barr will never give the House Mueller's full documents until impeachment is announced
Arazi
Apr 2019
#31
If that turns out to be the case then I am completely on board with impeachment proceedings.
boston bean
Apr 2019
#32
Very glad to see your flexible thinking here. Seriously, thank you for remaining open-minded.
better
Apr 2019
#92
The point of impeaching him is to impeach him. If the congress doesnt remove him
Fullduplexxx
Apr 2019
#37
umm, what is your suggestion? You think they will with an impeachment proceeding?
boston bean
Apr 2019
#49
I hope we hammer him and his cronies with investigation after investigation. Proceeding with...
George II
Apr 2019
#53
FFS we need to focus on what we will do it we elect a POTUS! Not fight impeachment for 18 months! NT
USALiberal
Apr 2019
#57
The news will be about the damning testimony at House impeachment investigation hearings.
SunSeeker
Apr 2019
#66
Being smart is doing the first thing first and then the second and third things second and third.
KPN
Apr 2019
#60
Yes they are. They want formal impeachment proceedings to be declared and investigate.
boston bean
Apr 2019
#63
A formal impeachment investigation resolution grants authority to the judiciary committee.
SunSeeker
Apr 2019
#68
When Bill Clinton won the vote in the Senate, were Dems able to shout "EXONERATION"? No
SunSeeker
Apr 2019
#65
Agreed. I don't wamt to just take down Trump, I want to take down the whole GOP.
CaptainTruth
Apr 2019
#67
i say GO FOR IT!!!! Hell we all know they wont win but at least we havent rolled over..
samnsara
Apr 2019
#108