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Kind of Blue

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Fri May 24, 2019, 12:45 PM May 2019

God Is So Not Pro-Life [View all]

Most of us probably know this but I find the following useful in bolstering my counter-arguments IRL about "what God says."

Scriptural truths

Ten biblical episodes and prophecies provide an unequivocal expression of God's attitude toward human life, especially the ontological status of "unborn children" and their pregnant mothers-to-be. Brief summaries:

• A pregnant woman who is injured and aborts the fetus warrants financial compensation only (to her husband), suggesting that the fetus is property, not a person (Exodus 21:22-25).
• The gruesome priestly purity test to which a wife accused of adultery must submit will cause her to abort the fetus if she is guilty, indicating that the fetus does not possess a right to life (Numbers 5:11-31).
• God enumerated his punishments for disobedience, including "cursed shall be the fruit of your womb" and "you will eat the fruit of your womb," directly contradicting sanctity-of-life claims (Deuteronomy 28:18,53).
• Elisha's prophecy for soon-to-be King Hazael said he would attack the Israelites, burn their cities, crush the heads of their babies and rip open their pregnant women (2 Kings 8:12).
• King Menahem of Israel destroyed Tiphsah (also called Tappuah) and the surrounding towns, killing all residents and ripping open pregnant women with the sword (2 Kings 15:16).
• Isaiah prophesied doom for Babylon, including the murder of unborn children: "They will have no pity on the fruit of the womb" (Isaiah 13:18).
• For worshiping idols, God declared that not one of his people would live, not a man, woman or child (not even babies in arms), again confuting assertions about the sanctity of life (Jeremiah 44: 7-8).
• God will punish the Israelites by destroying their unborn children, who will die at birth, or perish in the womb, or never even be conceived (Hosea 9:10-16).
• For rebelling against God, Samaria's people will be killed, their babies will be dashed to death against the ground, and their pregnant women will be ripped open with a sword (Hosea 13:16).

And good Lord! Jesus on the end times...
"Woe to pregnant women and those who are nursing" (Matthew 24:19). https://ffrf.org/component/k2/item/25602-abortion-rights
That's all he had to say!

Likewise, throughout the history of the early church into the middle-ages, there is little to no mention of abortion as a topic of great alarm – from the days of the Old Testament until modern history. Hence, there is no case to be made for a definitive Christian stance throughout history on the spiritual or moral aspects of abortion. Arguably, three of the most prominent authorities on Christian doctrine and teachings historically would be the Apostle Paul, St. Augustine in the 5th century and St. Thomas Aquinas in the 13th century, and compared to Christian leaders today, these figures are mostly silent on the topic. Traditionally the Church was “tolerant” on abortion before the third trimester, from the time of the early church until the late 19th century.

St. Augustine is considered a Christian doctrinal authority in all respects, helping to shape the Christian religion and finer points of doctrine and practices. His statements and teaching on abortion can be summarized in this quote: “The law does not provide that the act (abortion) pertains to homicide, for there cannot yet be said to be a live soul in a body that lacks sensation.” He was simply reiterating the traditional Jewish view…that the destruction of a fetus could be considered homicide only at a relatively late stage of fetal development.

St. Thomas Aquinas held a similar view in not calling abortion homicide until around the third trimester. Aquinas did not believe in life at conception, but rather “ensoulment.” He offered no defense for abortion, but also did not give the matter much importance in comparison to his other writings.

Abortion was very prevalent in many of the places Paul visited – we know this from other historical texts, and as he mentions in his letters, these cities were brimming with prostitution and illicit sexual activity. In fact, Paul never had a problem speaking out on any topic he believed followers of Christ should pay attention to!

There are 3,000 verses in the Bible that are concerned with social justice, taking care of the poor, the stranger, attitudes of kindness and compassion. It is dominant in the Old Testament and the New Testament and there is no ambiguity.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/the-truth-about-christianity-and-abortion_b_58f52ed7e4b048372700dab5
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God Is So Not Pro-Life [View all] Kind of Blue May 2019 OP
Bookmarking to check later underpants May 2019 #1
Yes, thanks! Kind of Blue May 2019 #2
And God kills a 100% of us without exception. lunatica May 2019 #3
LOL! that's the best I've heard on God's sanctity of human life. Kind of Blue May 2019 #4
Sometimes it actually cuts through the covfefe. lunatica May 2019 #5
Yes, indeed, especially a well-placed snark! Kind of Blue May 2019 #7
They make this shit up! There is not one thing in the Bible that supports the "Pro-Life" doctrine. TheBlackAdder May 2019 #6
Exactly, that's what is so frustrating. That in order to Kind of Blue May 2019 #8
I ask them to justify their position to find out its 'oranges,' then I dismantle their points. TheBlackAdder May 2019 #10
Yes, that's what I'm talking about! Kind of Blue May 2019 #14
The Penecostal and Charismatic sham of Two-Stage Holy Spirit baptism is a cult belief from 1906. TheBlackAdder May 2019 #18
That's some good history there, TheBlackAdder. Kind of Blue May 2019 #20
That's how the New Christians operate Buckeyeblue May 2019 #33
"It's mostly about a feel, felt relationship with God. If they feel it, it must be true." Kind of Blue May 2019 #40
There is no God, but if there was one he/she is doing a crappy job. Nt USALiberal May 2019 #9
Yup! Though if he does, I agree with the author saying, "God is clearly pro-abortion." Kind of Blue May 2019 #12
Maybe the God that supposedly created us lost interest, has moved on Buckeyeblue May 2019 #42
I also want to know how the universe got here! nt USALiberal May 2019 #46
It's so easy to find out - we just make it up Kind of Blue May 2019 #57
The Bible says a lot of things that most Christians don't know about or understand. Caliman73 May 2019 #11
Thanks for your excellent account. Kind of Blue May 2019 #15
I prefer the term "recovering Catholic" eom Maeve May 2019 #47
And it could take a lifetime :) Kind of Blue May 2019 #58
HE isnt required to be Fullduplexxx May 2019 #13
Neither is anyone else. nt. Mariana May 2019 #16
Thanks, Mariana. Kind of Blue May 2019 #22
Well, I'm not exactly sure of your point. Kind of Blue May 2019 #17
Yep. Passover is a celebration of God only killing selected male offspring. GoCubsGo May 2019 #19
I know, right? And male offspring of animals, too! Kind of Blue May 2019 #21
If that doesn't convince them fescuerescue May 2019 #23
"These sort of articles really aren't about convincing the other side. Kind of Blue May 2019 #25
How many has God killed? The Death toll! Celerity May 2019 #24
Wow! this is amazing, light-hearted and sickening Kind of Blue May 2019 #26
yw! Celerity May 2019 #27
Aww, goosebumping all over. Kind of Blue May 2019 #28
At the Stop The Bans protest today I heard a BigmanPigman May 2019 #29
Good to hear a minister was there and Kind of Blue May 2019 #30
There was a Unitarian minister there too. BigmanPigman May 2019 #35
I love that - ministers making themselves front and center becasue Kind of Blue May 2019 #41
God is not real. Stop attributing things to someone who has never showed up and said "here I am". NightWatcher May 2019 #31
I have told people that the problem with the biblical god Buckeyeblue May 2019 #43
"Don't forget about me." Kind of Blue May 2019 #49
The Christian God demands blood for the slightest disobedience. KentuckyWoman May 2019 #32
Agree with everything you've said, KentuckyWoman. Kind of Blue May 2019 #37
I think the character of Jesus did pretty much say that Buckeyeblue May 2019 #44
"It's that promise of a sequel that has really fucked things up for the last 2000 years." Kind of Blue May 2019 #48
I once worked out that the morning-after pill meant fewer lost fertilized eggs muriel_volestrangler May 2019 #34
Agreed. My husband and I were talking about the bottom-line of Kind of Blue May 2019 #38
I've been using this for months sarah FAILIN May 2019 #36
GOOD! Lite their asses up and leave them speechless to Kind of Blue May 2019 #39
Nature designed humans to lose most fertilized eggs. Hortensis May 2019 #45
Oh, yes! Talked about it in Posts 34 and 38. Kind of Blue May 2019 #50
Yes. Not much rationality in extremist arguments, and the hypocrisy Hortensis May 2019 #55
Please feel free to cross-post this in the Religion Group MineralMan May 2019 #51
Oh, wow. I surely will. Kind of Blue May 2019 #54
k&r BSdetect May 2019 #52
And yet: "Be fruitful and multiply"? The bible is BS BSdetect May 2019 #53
I will never stop being amazed by the amount Kind of Blue May 2019 #56
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