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Caliman73

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11. The Bible says a lot of things that most Christians don't know about or understand.
Fri May 24, 2019, 01:37 PM
May 2019

The problem with the Bible is that it was created out of supposedly several thousand years of oral tradition, passed down and most likely interpreted and added to over generations based on the cultural norms of the time and place, when it was written down, it was done so based on the interpretations of the scribes who penned it, THEN it was formalized in the 5th century after several councils. THEN when the various churches broke up, each of them decided what to include. That took place in the 16th and 17th centuries. Of course there are the translations, and whatever King James did to it.

Catholics have always held that the Bible contained the story of "God's intervention in human affairs" but that it served as an allegorical account and that the spirit of the word was important not the literal words, unless assigned specifically to the Father or Christ (the Our Father, the Beatitudes, etc...). Catholics have been maligned for centuries by Protestants because of that as Protestants became "followers of the book" and took on the mantra of "solo scriptura".

I was raised Catholic and am fully initiated, though I am not practicing the doctrine of the Church and have excommunicated myself. I could certainly go back, receive the Sacrament of Reconciliation and go back to Mass, but I do not have that desire.

My problem is that for institutions said to be "inspired by God" or whatever, they are extremely influenced by the folly of men (and I literally mean Men). My question has always been to those who are still in thrall to their churches, "If the Bible is the true/infallible word, why are they thousands of different denominations of Protestantism, why Catholicism, Eastern, and Russian Orthodoxy?

Obviously their answer would be, because those churches have misinterpreted the Word, then I would ask, "What if it is you who have misinterpreted the Word". That would usually end the conversation or they would get really pissed off that a teenager would say such a disrespectful thing.

I think that if you need religion to put order into your life, to help you to be a better person, to be kinder, more compassionate to those less fortunate, to help guide you through your own struggles, and to fulfill a need to belong, that is good. It is okay. The problem is when you start trying to tell other people how to live their lives based on your narrow interpretation of a Book that has already been interpreted and translated hundreds of times, that people have disagreed on throughout centuries, which has created divisions among thousands of little fiefdoms called denominations. When that makes you think you have the right to impose laws on me based on that, that is where we have major problems.

God Is So Not Pro-Life [View all] Kind of Blue May 2019 OP
Bookmarking to check later underpants May 2019 #1
Yes, thanks! Kind of Blue May 2019 #2
And God kills a 100% of us without exception. lunatica May 2019 #3
LOL! that's the best I've heard on God's sanctity of human life. Kind of Blue May 2019 #4
Sometimes it actually cuts through the covfefe. lunatica May 2019 #5
Yes, indeed, especially a well-placed snark! Kind of Blue May 2019 #7
They make this shit up! There is not one thing in the Bible that supports the "Pro-Life" doctrine. TheBlackAdder May 2019 #6
Exactly, that's what is so frustrating. That in order to Kind of Blue May 2019 #8
I ask them to justify their position to find out its 'oranges,' then I dismantle their points. TheBlackAdder May 2019 #10
Yes, that's what I'm talking about! Kind of Blue May 2019 #14
The Penecostal and Charismatic sham of Two-Stage Holy Spirit baptism is a cult belief from 1906. TheBlackAdder May 2019 #18
That's some good history there, TheBlackAdder. Kind of Blue May 2019 #20
That's how the New Christians operate Buckeyeblue May 2019 #33
"It's mostly about a feel, felt relationship with God. If they feel it, it must be true." Kind of Blue May 2019 #40
There is no God, but if there was one he/she is doing a crappy job. Nt USALiberal May 2019 #9
Yup! Though if he does, I agree with the author saying, "God is clearly pro-abortion." Kind of Blue May 2019 #12
Maybe the God that supposedly created us lost interest, has moved on Buckeyeblue May 2019 #42
I also want to know how the universe got here! nt USALiberal May 2019 #46
It's so easy to find out - we just make it up Kind of Blue May 2019 #57
The Bible says a lot of things that most Christians don't know about or understand. Caliman73 May 2019 #11
Thanks for your excellent account. Kind of Blue May 2019 #15
I prefer the term "recovering Catholic" eom Maeve May 2019 #47
And it could take a lifetime :) Kind of Blue May 2019 #58
HE isnt required to be Fullduplexxx May 2019 #13
Neither is anyone else. nt. Mariana May 2019 #16
Thanks, Mariana. Kind of Blue May 2019 #22
Well, I'm not exactly sure of your point. Kind of Blue May 2019 #17
Yep. Passover is a celebration of God only killing selected male offspring. GoCubsGo May 2019 #19
I know, right? And male offspring of animals, too! Kind of Blue May 2019 #21
If that doesn't convince them fescuerescue May 2019 #23
"These sort of articles really aren't about convincing the other side. Kind of Blue May 2019 #25
How many has God killed? The Death toll! Celerity May 2019 #24
Wow! this is amazing, light-hearted and sickening Kind of Blue May 2019 #26
yw! Celerity May 2019 #27
Aww, goosebumping all over. Kind of Blue May 2019 #28
At the Stop The Bans protest today I heard a BigmanPigman May 2019 #29
Good to hear a minister was there and Kind of Blue May 2019 #30
There was a Unitarian minister there too. BigmanPigman May 2019 #35
I love that - ministers making themselves front and center becasue Kind of Blue May 2019 #41
God is not real. Stop attributing things to someone who has never showed up and said "here I am". NightWatcher May 2019 #31
I have told people that the problem with the biblical god Buckeyeblue May 2019 #43
"Don't forget about me." Kind of Blue May 2019 #49
The Christian God demands blood for the slightest disobedience. KentuckyWoman May 2019 #32
Agree with everything you've said, KentuckyWoman. Kind of Blue May 2019 #37
I think the character of Jesus did pretty much say that Buckeyeblue May 2019 #44
"It's that promise of a sequel that has really fucked things up for the last 2000 years." Kind of Blue May 2019 #48
I once worked out that the morning-after pill meant fewer lost fertilized eggs muriel_volestrangler May 2019 #34
Agreed. My husband and I were talking about the bottom-line of Kind of Blue May 2019 #38
I've been using this for months sarah FAILIN May 2019 #36
GOOD! Lite their asses up and leave them speechless to Kind of Blue May 2019 #39
Nature designed humans to lose most fertilized eggs. Hortensis May 2019 #45
Oh, yes! Talked about it in Posts 34 and 38. Kind of Blue May 2019 #50
Yes. Not much rationality in extremist arguments, and the hypocrisy Hortensis May 2019 #55
Please feel free to cross-post this in the Religion Group MineralMan May 2019 #51
Oh, wow. I surely will. Kind of Blue May 2019 #54
k&r BSdetect May 2019 #52
And yet: "Be fruitful and multiply"? The bible is BS BSdetect May 2019 #53
I will never stop being amazed by the amount Kind of Blue May 2019 #56
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