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In reply to the discussion: Pelosi on impeachment: if the Senate exonerates Trump [View all]madamesilverspurs
(15,806 posts)19. It IS tricky.
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Surely the criminals in the Senate will have an epiphany when they see the ironclad case
dalton99a
May 2019
#1
Reading of the evidence and arguments by Chief Justice John Roberts might just create that epiphany.
ancianita
May 2019
#7
They want to stack the courts with conservatives. They do not care what trump did.
wasupaloopa
May 2019
#11
But the American public will see the Truth of Justice Roberts's SENATE trial and vote accordingly.
ancianita
May 2019
#14
Nearly half of the American people do not care what trump did or does. He was right when
wasupaloopa
May 2019
#15
Impeachment is the hill I'm willing to die on, and America should see that about House Democrats.
ancianita
May 2019
#17
I'll feel miserable if we die on that hill,but it'll be a good miserable in that when we later die,
ancianita
May 2019
#197
Absolutely true.So we fight scared.Together. Their darkness will only recede by our beating it back.
ancianita
May 2019
#209
They might crow but everybody knows that it will be a totally partisan vote that "exonerates" him
Proud Liberal Dem
May 2019
#215
Thank you! I welcome any and all company. Otherwise, why do we bother with "we're all in this
ancianita
May 2019
#199
Whre are you getting your half figures? The gop is about 30-35%, thats not half.
Chin music
May 2019
#120
FUCK them do NOT go quietly AT ALL, we can do this together but not alone
Eliot Rosewater
May 2019
#184
I'm 71 and I'm joining all the fighters on your behalf. Hang tough and keep the faith.
ancianita
May 2019
#204
Where are tapes when we need them? Slimy folks like trump et al know
Laura PourMeADrink
May 2019
#73
No. But don't give McConnell the chance to acquit. Send it over on the last day of the session.
lagomorph777
May 2019
#225
"The State won't be pressing any charges until after he is no longer in the WH."
former9thward
May 2019
#107
Sorry but that argument makes no legal sense. Impeachment has nothing to do with crimimal charges.
PoliticAverse
May 2019
#10
They won't exonerate him. They will fall short of removing him but he will be badly weakened.
hedda_foil
May 2019
#170
State Criminal charges have nothing to do with obstruction charges thru the Impeachment Process.
Nevermypresident
May 2019
#249
bologna the Senate acquitting him will not forbid criminal prosecuction when he is no longer
standingtall
May 2019
#9
Now you just need to start praying for the economy to tank so your 2008 scenario can play out.
Snake Plissken
May 2019
#35
Most Americans don't think that way at all. They see inaction after a 2-yr investigation as WEAK.
ancianita
May 2019
#208
Don't presume you know how others think You just know how you and the friends
Trumpocalypse
May 2019
#227
I don't have to presume. Americans voted forty new Democratic House seats last year.
ancianita
May 2019
#253
Voters that put them there show the "moderate" characterization is over. The polls that year show it
ancianita
May 2019
#261
No polls on Democrats' being WEAK exist. There are articles on weak public support for impeachment.
ancianita
May 2019
#268
I admit Pew's, Reuters, NBC/WSJ polls back my claim. "Most" is still unproven unless Gallup backs it
ancianita
Jun 2019
#276
Evidence isn't total lack of proof, it's just not enough to prove a majority attitude YET, but trend
ancianita
Jun 2019
#278
Why do you think Pelosi doesn't know what she's doing as far as timing is concerned? (nt)
ehrnst
May 2019
#93
So you think that she's qualified and knows what she's doing then? Your posts indicate otherwise.
ehrnst
May 2019
#220
No votes from the pro-impeachment base, and the loss of party membership. Pretty simple.
ancianita
May 2019
#207
I can have my opinion and my opinion can opinion can be right and it can be wrong too
standingtall
May 2019
#221
You responded to the OP - you just said that. I don't have to 'read your mind' to know that....
ehrnst
May 2019
#239
Three things: once proceedings began he couldn't pardon Roger Stone or anyone else
pnwmom
May 2019
#34
Been trying to tell people this... some just refuse to acknowledge what is so obvious.
InAbLuEsTaTe
May 2019
#166
The party of the impeached has never fared well in elections post impeachment process ...
uponit7771
May 2019
#43
esp after it bombs in the senate.. then what do we have to threaten trump with?
samnsara
Jun 2019
#288
Clinton created 22 million jobs. He was beloved by the world. And, he and VP Gore gave
Chin music
Jun 2019
#272
No stalling, foot dragging, or wimping out. Not enough VOTES to pass the resolution to start
emmaverybo
May 2019
#25
I don't know about a war, but I will lay out some dominoes that could fall in a chain that will lead
Celerity
May 2019
#38
I think that the Republicans' reaction gets worse and worse each time they lose power again.
StevieM
May 2019
#173
Yes, even if he's exonerated of all federal crimes that doesn't stop the state ones unless there's
uponit7771
May 2019
#56
There are plenty of crimes to charge Trump, especially at the state level. Start the proceedings.
airmid
May 2019
#37
+1, they can make the impeachment mandate very narrow they don't have to include the kitchen sink
uponit7771
May 2019
#41
Not going to happen, but my ideal scenario is Trump being taken into custody
no_hypocrisy
May 2019
#46
Yes, all I am asking for (and I think most are here) is open a simple enquiry, I do NOT want to
Celerity
May 2019
#118
And an enquiry really raises the chances he will come and testify in public, before the House
Celerity
May 2019
#129
I'd allege that as well... if I too had no objective evidence to support it.
LanternWaste
May 2019
#183
I trust Pelosi's judgement. She's got the track record that makes me trust it.
RelativelyJones
May 2019
#58
It is not her judgement many of us are taking issue with. She said that a Senate acquittal
Celerity
May 2019
#70
When did Pelosi say that a Senate acquittal precludes DT from future legal prosecution?
ehrnst
May 2019
#83
She didn't say that. She said "there is a school of thought" in the Kimmel interview.
RelativelyJones
May 2019
#86
yes BUT she is basing her conclusion/rationale off that school of thought in her answer
Celerity
May 2019
#114
well, without opening an official enquiry (which is all I am asking for) we are never going to get
Celerity
May 2019
#135
I don't think that she was saying that it was an iron clad truism, etched in stone.
ehrnst
May 2019
#143
I do not want impeachment now, but if we wait 5, 6 months or even until early or mid-2020
Celerity
May 2019
#140
like I said, there have been numerous people talking about the inherent risks of not doing enough
Celerity
May 2019
#164
I was specifically addressing your claim that "the base is peeling off," which is something that can
ehrnst
May 2019
#172
i would say not a single American has a track record for the current situation.
Kurt V.
May 2019
#134
no. but that's bc she's already the Speaker. this is so unique I'm not sure anyone inside of
Kurt V.
May 2019
#179
Assessing. lol. agree there isn't anyone more qualified in a normal situation. all the house
Kurt V.
May 2019
#188
In order to think outside the box effectively, one must know the box one is trying to fix
ehrnst
May 2019
#189
lots of good points . as a straight white man, my straight white friends don't like it when i
Kurt V.
May 2019
#213
to get back to our main discussion, this is what i think the Speaker is missing :
Kurt V.
May 2019
#257
i read trump has made 15 million off the taxpayer thru his propertys. she should pursue
Kurt V.
Jun 2019
#275
Candidates in swing districts who said they wouldn't support her for Speaker?
BeyondGeography
May 2019
#98
When you accuse her of being "compromised" without evidence you are bashing. Have the guts to own it
RelativelyJones
May 2019
#116
"Compromised" a strong accusation without a shred of support but your personal opinion.
RelativelyJones
May 2019
#119
"Compromised" is what Trump likely was by the Russians and I find it insidious that you apply the
RelativelyJones
May 2019
#130
"she doesn't want to use the only tools available to her to save American democracy?"
ehrnst
May 2019
#109
senate exoneration has NOTHING to do with any charges later, ask Bill Clinton
beachbum bob
May 2019
#69
Fallacy of false alternative, "bases"[sic] instead of "basis", AND the fallacy of alleged certainty.
lapucelle
May 2019
#256
As long as you have your coffee at hand, might as well partake of some doughnuts:
George II
May 2019
#269
Pelosi knows what she is doing. She will open an impreachment inquiry when more Reps in
RelativelyJones
May 2019
#84
Yes, Pelosi sees the momentum building... it's just a matter of time now!!
InAbLuEsTaTe
May 2019
#169
and if we don't impeach...that will basically free him from further prosecution down the road.
spanone
May 2019
#91
impeachment on a particular set of impeachable charges doesn't negated crimianl charges later OR
beachbum bob
May 2019
#110
We also don't want pence to have a clear path to the presidency in 2020.
dubyadiprecession
May 2019
#133
The only ironclad case that will get the GOP Senate's attention is one where the base turns on them.
Thomas Hurt
May 2019
#137
As it is now, it's hard to imagine a jury that will convict trump. Add failure in Senate,
Hoyt
May 2019
#138
False, defeatist statement from Dems leader- now is the time for courage!
Fiendish Thingy
May 2019
#141
I think Pelosi will come through... momentum for impeachment is building, just a matter of time now.
InAbLuEsTaTe
May 2019
#171
Even an ironclad case would not change @GOP minds-they will stick with bigot Trump. IMHO
riversedge
May 2019
#176
And you can only get that ironclad case now via Congress performing impeachment investigations!
KPN
May 2019
#181
So how do we determine when the time is right?? Mitch will whisper in Nancy's ear?
honest.abe
May 2019
#185
IANAL, but the Constitution explicitly authorizes prosecution even if impeached.
Tactical Peek
May 2019
#195
Impeachment is not a criminal proceeding and double jeopardy isn't applicable (n/t)
Spider Jerusalem
May 2019
#200
i agree.. i want a paper trail..phone calls..emails..linking him to high crimes...
samnsara
May 2019
#237
Does what those dirty assholes in the Senate do REALLY carry any weight with anyone?
BlueStater
Jun 2019
#285