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jberryhill

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Fri Jun 7, 2019, 08:58 AM Jun 2019

Remember all those posts on DU promoting genetic testing? [View all]

A while back, it seemed like every couple of days there was a post on DU pimping those home DNA test kits. My favorite one was the idiot who was claiming that people who don't get them are really cowards, because they are afraid it will show undesired ethnic origins (as if all people didn't have a common ancestry anyway).

Well, how on earth did I manage to miss this, and I apologize if it was posted before, but it turns out that you have all been paying for the privilege of providing data to pharmaceutical companies:

http://time.com/5349896/23andme-glaxo-smith-kline/

A Major Drug Company Now Has Access to 23andMe’s Genetic Data

Consumer genetic testing company 23andMe announced on Wednesday that GlaxoSmithKline purchased a $300 million stake in the company, allowing the pharmaceutical giant to use 23andMe’s trove of genetic data to develop new drugs — and raising new privacy concerns for consumers.

The “collaboration” is a way to make “novel treatments and cures a reality,” 23andMe CEO Anne Wojcicki said in a company blog post. But, though it isn’t 23andMe’s first foray into drug discovery, the deal doesn’t seem quite so simple to some medical experts — or some of the roughly 5 million 23andMe customers who have sent off tubes of their spit in exchange for ancestry and health insights.


That was, incidentally, the play all along. Charge consumers money to fund your establishment of a huge DNA database, and then sell it off to interested purchasers. It pays at both ends.

https://www.wired.com/story/23andme-glaxosmithkline-pharma-deal/

23andMe's Pharma Deals Have Been the Plan All Along

But 23andMe, with its hybrid model, has been commodifying health and genetic data for years as it wades further into the field of drug discovery. In 2015, Forbes reported that the company had inked its first pharmaceutical company deal with Genentech, for $10 million up front, and up to $50 million if its data turned out to be useful for developing Parkinson’s treatments. Pfizer signed a data-sharing agreement of its own shortly after. That was back when 23andMe had data from only 650,000 consented individuals in its proprietary database. Its critics were unsure of the value of that information, self-reported as it was (and still is). But as the database has grown to the millions, differences in how customers interpret survey questions matter less and less to the company’s potential research partners, according to Spector-Bagdady.

“The hypothesis of this company was to circumvent medical records and just self-report,” Wojcicki told a room full researchers at an event on 23andMe’s campus in May. “Anyone can go get genomes. What’s really hard is phenotypic data.”

To get that kind of health and behavioral information, 23andMe is continually pushing surveys out to its customers. A few questions here, a few questions there; it’s kind of like going on a first date every time you log on. And people love talking about themselves. “We specialize in capturing phenotypic data on people longitudinally—on average 300 data points on each customer,” Wojcicki said. “That’s the most valuable by far.


And, please, don't even bother to say "But I sent mine to Ancestry.com" and try convince me that giving your DNA to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is a better idea.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/ancestrycom-medical-research-juggernaut_n_7008446

Ancestry.Com Is Quietly Transforming Itself Into A Medical Research Juggernaut

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this whole thing is probably not going to end well Celerity Jun 2019 #1
I think we'll find that drug development is one of the more benign uses this data is put to. lagomorph777 Jun 2019 #47
I wouldn't call people who utilize these services idiots. Perhaps they are naively curious. Siwsan Jun 2019 #2
I was calling one particular poster an idiot jberryhill Jun 2019 #6
Oh, ok. But still. People get swept up. I kind of feel sorry for them. Siwsan Jun 2019 #11
i have no problem w this, myself. mopinko Jun 2019 #3
No safeguards against discrimination lostnfound Jun 2019 #12
You list a big chunk of my concerns, in that with all of the electronic break ins of our online ... SWBTATTReg Jun 2019 #38
A lot of people don't even use their real names BannonsLiver Jun 2019 #49
Surprise, surprise, surprise . . . hatrack Jun 2019 #4
Yup Sherman A1 Jun 2019 #7
+1 2naSalit Jun 2019 #80
I don't know. Turin_C3PO Jun 2019 #5
You have to "opt in" with 23&Me, and they make the process very clear. Not only must you Maru Kitteh Jun 2019 #44
Privacy? democratisphere Jun 2019 #8
TOS Terms Can Change Too. Just wait until DNA sold to employers, insurance companies, etc. TheBlackAdder Jun 2019 #9
Precisely Siwsan Jun 2019 #13
We had genetic testing for pregnancies, but those were bound by HIPAA restrictions. TheBlackAdder Jun 2019 #15
That's what's brilliant about this - it's and end run around HIPAA jberryhill Jun 2019 #16
In one of the pimping threads, a wise DUer (maybe you?) ecstatic Jun 2019 #10
LDS already has our non-DNA data going back centuries, so they can baptise our dead souls.. hlthe2b Jun 2019 #14
LDS hasn't stopped baptizing the dead, I assure you. Mariana Jun 2019 #79
So many people I know are into this. lark Jun 2019 #17
I used 23&Me knowing specifically they intended to do this - they said so right up front. NutmegYankee Jun 2019 #18
Bingo. The key being blood draws paleotn Jun 2019 #50
First they'll get the data y'all are paying to give them, then they'll sell it NightWatcher Jun 2019 #19
The entirety of our future begins as someones fiction. Afromania Jun 2019 #28
I caught a fews mins. of the head of 23andme being interviewed, appalachiablue Jun 2019 #20
I've never participated in this testing... LuckyCharms Jun 2019 #21
I agree with you 100%. Furthermore, I don't recommend anyone getting their DNA tested... Quemado Jun 2019 #24
I made the mistake of joining Facebook, too, but it didn't LuvNewcastle Jun 2019 #37
K&R. Thanks, jberryhill. Bookmarked. KY_EnviroGuy Jun 2019 #22
They'll probably find a way to get mine at spome point with all the nasty tools at their disposal Scalded Nun Jun 2019 #23
I have a difficult time understanding how medical research is a bad thing. Rabrrrrrr Jun 2019 #25
Until "Health Companies", otherwise known as... LuckyCharms Jun 2019 #26
Ok. I'm not surprised. It's too late for me to request that Ancestry return my spit, Croney Jun 2019 #27
I have an extremely rare autoimmune disease. greatauntoftriplets Jun 2019 #29
Until your genes become their intellectual property... jberryhill Jun 2019 #31
How much would a cure be worth you reckon? GusBob Jun 2019 #39
And, furthermore jberryhill Jun 2019 #43
In your hyperbole, you are failing to see the broader picture GusBob Jun 2019 #45
Okay well, my picture is different jberryhill Jun 2019 #46
Yes of course its all a matter of perspective GusBob Jun 2019 #48
My perspective is that people should be told jberryhill Jun 2019 #59
There' s a quote from Mosquito Coast, Paul Theroux GusBob Jun 2019 #62
The biggest money is in medicines that has cousins that can be sold OTC. Blue_true Jun 2019 #72
A decent pipeline of medications could be worth up to $1 Trillion dollars, Blue_true Jun 2019 #71
You are a technical person and an attorney. Blue_true Jun 2019 #70
You seem to be misunderstand patents. Ms. Toad Jun 2019 #75
The narrow window is the ONLY way that the products perform as desired. Blue_true Jun 2019 #76
I am a patent attorney With more than a decade of experience. Ms. Toad Jun 2019 #78
I am a research and development engineer with 30+ years of experience. Blue_true Jun 2019 #81
I didn't say documentation of your invention was a waste of time. Ms. Toad Jun 2019 #83
The industries that I have worked in have always been ones where having a cost advantage Blue_true Jun 2019 #84
You only know if patents "work" Ms. Toad Jun 2019 #87
Why are you opposed to telling people about all the good they are doing? jberryhill Jun 2019 #58
Huh? greatauntoftriplets Jun 2019 #61
You are the only person so far that even remotely realize how valuable the effort Blue_true Jun 2019 #68
You've explained it perfectly. greatauntoftriplets Jun 2019 #69
I've been dead set against that shit from the beginning. Hotler Jun 2019 #30
The horrors of data mining! empedocles Jun 2019 #32
Data mining can be highly beneficial to society. Blue_true Jun 2019 #73
All sorts of personal data is mined in all sorts of ways Major Nikon Jun 2019 #33
On One Level RobinA Jun 2019 #34
The numerous blood samples you've given to whom? jberryhill Jun 2019 #36
Quest RobinA Jun 2019 #63
O P lumps LDS with the genetic test companies. 3Hotdogs Jun 2019 #35
Oh dear... asiliveandbreathe Jun 2019 #41
Not to mention some snazzy underwear jberryhill Jun 2019 #42
Now look what you did. I got an underwear fetish 3Hotdogs Jun 2019 #56
That's a huge relief! 😊 MaryMagdaline Jun 2019 #82
Why would anyone give away their DNA?? - and pay for it??? STUPIFYING asiliveandbreathe Jun 2019 #40
My daughter did for two reasons: Ms. Toad Jun 2019 #64
Don't get me wrong, this isn't good, but it would be more hughee99 Jun 2019 #51
Big Data is where it's at. Does anyone here use a grocery store discount card? gtar100 Jun 2019 #52
Oh I have a really cool online quiz for you about which Star Trek character you are jberryhill Jun 2019 #53
Here's some of the good that comes from genetic testing CanonRay Jun 2019 #54
Did I say there was something bad about genetic testing? jberryhill Jun 2019 #57
I never claimed you said there was something bad. CanonRay Jun 2019 #60
I'm shocked! Shocked! To find there is data mining going on! Hekate Jun 2019 #55
Reminds me canetoad Jun 2019 #65
How to Delete Your Data From 23andMe, Ancestry, and Other Sites klook Jun 2019 #66
Meh. Blue_true Jun 2019 #67
I won't have my DNA tested Raine Jun 2019 #74
They are supposed to get your consent if data is used by secondary parties, and inform you whether still_one Jun 2019 #77
Easy way around all this? DonaldsRump Jun 2019 #85
I am of many minds on this subject. Hugin Jun 2019 #86
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