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Celerity

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47. when it comes to interventionist foreign policy, both parties (albeit from completely different
Mon Jun 17, 2019, 11:16 PM
Jun 2019

angles at times) often dance to the same tune, even at the same moment in some cases. Libya and Syria were on us, not the Rethugs (although many of them played pure partisan games with that, pretending to be against them to score cheap political points, but then flipping as soon as the monster Rump became POTUS). Bush's murderous, spun-up, illegal Iraq war passed with vast Democratic support (granted based off clearly fake evidence, but the ones who were against it were screaming to be careful, the rationale is fake, cooked).

When you add in all of the war, security, and surveillance state, defence, etc etc etc budgets, we spend around 1.25 trillion USD on the war/surveillance state each year. That is more than what the entire rest of the world spent on defence/war budgets in 2016. When you subtract out our share, that means the rest of the world spent around $1.1 trillion.

War is the health of the state, to steal a line from the WWI-era progressive, Randolph Bourne.

Senate Passes $700 Billion Pentagon Bill, More Money Than Trump Sought

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/18/us/politics/senate-pentagon-spending-bill.html

WASHINGTON — In a rare act of bipartisanship on Capitol Hill, the Senate passed a $700 billion defense policy bill on Monday that sets forth a muscular vision of America as a global power, with a Pentagon budget that far exceeds what President Trump has asked for.

Senators voted 89-9 to approve the measure, known as the National Defense Authorization Act; the House has already adopted a similar version.

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US Sens. Bob Corker (R-Tenn.), Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY), Patrick Leahy (D-VT), Mike Lee (R-Utah), Jeff Merkley (D-Ore.), Rand Paul (R-Ky.), Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), and Ron Wyden (D-Ore.) bucked the partisan establishment and voted no on the bill.

Only 4 Democrats (plus Bernie) voted against it.



MSU scholars find $21 trillion in unauthorised government spending; Defense Department to conduct first-ever audit

https://msutoday.msu.edu/news/2017/msu-scholars-find-21-trillion-in-unauthorized-government-spending-defense-department-to-conduct/

Earlier this year, a Michigan State University economist, working with graduate students and a former government official, found $21 trillion in unauthorized spending in the departments of Defense and Housing and Urban Development for the years 1998-2015.

The work of Mark Skidmore and his team, which included digging into government websites and repeated queries to U.S. agencies that went unanswered, coincided with the Office of Inspector General, at one point, disabling the links to all key documents showing the unsupported spending. (Luckily, the researchers downloaded and stored the documents.)

Now, the Department of Defense has announced it will conduct the first department-wide, independent financial audit in its history (read the Dec. 7 announcement here).

The Defense Department did not say specifically what led to the audit. But the announcement came four days after Skidmore discussed his team’s findings on USAWatchdog, a news outlet run by former CNN and ABC News correspondent Greg Hunter.

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When you tell 1000's of lies per year... zaj Jun 2019 #1
What is his source and saidsimplesimon Jun 2019 #2
They may be but we still shouldn't attack them. Turin_C3PO Jun 2019 #3
You don't trust him? Cartoonist Jun 2019 #6
He's on the Intelligence Committee so he has access to better sources than we do. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2019 #4
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ still_one Jun 2019 #9
The Neo-cons were very good at lying to all the committees. Ford_Prefect Jun 2019 #14
Except that wasn't the question. What should or could we do regardless of its validity still_one Jun 2019 #37
The only reason they toned it down was they got caught in an obvious lie. Ford_Prefect Jun 2019 #41
I hear you Ford, and you are right, they Bolton's are going to keep on trying, I just don't think it still_one Jun 2019 #42
Question Jake Stern Jun 2019 #26
These rubes are going to start WW3... czarjak Jun 2019 #5
So why does Japan and Germany dispute this?? triron Jun 2019 #7
Do Japan and Germany have access to the same intelligence as Schiff? The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2019 #10
Why would you presume they didn't? Jake Stern Jun 2019 #13
I'm not, I'm just asking. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2019 #15
Because we've seen this show before? Jake Stern Jun 2019 #18
But the possibility that Iran is involved should also be considered. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2019 #23
Oh yes it is relevent especially when it turns out to be wrong Jake Stern Jun 2019 #24
So how do you know Schiff is wrong? The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2019 #25
Nice twisting of words there Jake Stern Jun 2019 #28
Wasn't this a Japanese Tanker? Proud Liberal Dem Jun 2019 #8
Bolton is looking for an excuse. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2019 #11
Not buying what Schiff is selling Celerity Jun 2019 #12
Not sure it's him that's doing the selling. Maybe he bought some damaged goods? triron Jun 2019 #17
he IS selling it, by going on nationally telly and repeating it Celerity Jun 2019 #27
Rachel had a Democrat on today spouting the same nonsense. WTF is going on??? triron Jun 2019 #44
when it comes to interventionist foreign policy, both parties (albeit from completely different Celerity Jun 2019 #47
I recall Hillary saying Iraq had WMD's which turned out to be baloney Jake Stern Jun 2019 #16
Lot of dems bought into that lie. Not sure why. triron Jun 2019 #19
Schiff will just blame it on "faulty intelligence" Jake Stern Jun 2019 #22
Schiff has no reason to carry water for this administration. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2019 #30
Exactly!!!!! No point or cause at all. Ford_Prefect Jun 2019 #33
I'm having trouble understanding why Iran would do that. panader0 Jun 2019 #20
Lots of regional players have a stake in ginning up a US invasion of Iran. Ford_Prefect Jun 2019 #29
I'm surprised...but he apparently.. stillcool Jun 2019 #21
I suspect he's not privy to the whole truth either. Ford_Prefect Jun 2019 #31
I really don't get it solara Jun 2019 #32
It may be that one faction in Iran wants to stop another faction from negotiating brooklynite Jun 2019 #34
That assumes that these factions exist. Voltaire2 Jun 2019 #35
Well, I for one will rely on the opinion of the Chair of the House Intel Committee... brooklynite Jun 2019 #36
And I remember how well that worked in Voltaire2 Jun 2019 #38
In 2001 the Intel Chair was a Republican. brooklynite Jun 2019 #39
And the Democrats fell in line. Voltaire2 Jun 2019 #40
I think they are doing it again. WHY?? triron Jun 2019 #45
I have no clue. Voltaire2 Jun 2019 #48
The Revolutionary Guards are their own power center. kwassa Jun 2019 #43
I dont think Schiff would agree with the President... VarryOn Jun 2019 #46
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