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Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
12. We've been here before.
Mon Aug 12, 2019, 08:00 AM
Aug 2019

Apparently Yeats saw events of the 1890s as beginning the decline of civilization, with the wars, rise of fascism, authoritarian socialism, and collapse of order in many nations following over the next quarter century. Historian Doris Kearns Goodwin the other day said she sees this this new era of destabilizing anxiety over enormous changes and threats as similar to the 1890s. (My words.)

The Second Coming
BY WILLIAM BUTLER YEATS

Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.
The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

Time to remember that our grandparents' generations saved the United States from succumbing. They used the problems of that era to make great but stabilizing advances within the existing system, including redistribution of income and regulations on capitalism, that created our greatest period of prosperity to date.

Our turn.
Rupert Murdoch? pwb Aug 2019 #1
Yes. An Australian has destroyed American journalism. Funtatlaguy Aug 2019 #2
Murdoch is the root of division and misinformation. Pepsidog Aug 2019 #24
He's guilty, but he's far from the only one. Downtown Hound Aug 2019 #40
I would still rather live in America than many other countries Beringia Aug 2019 #3
Not as long as the Scarsdale Aug 2019 #4
Get a copy of the book "True Believer" by Eric Hoffer Grasswire2 Aug 2019 #53
Take a vacation around the Scandinavian countries, I think it will open your eyes Perseus Aug 2019 #14
Sorry butb with ethnic diversity comes division... zaj Aug 2019 #31
Good points! Jim_Pridx Aug 2019 #49
And you can back up your statement right? lunatica Aug 2019 #57
One name for that evil force is Vladimir Putin. Lonestarblue Aug 2019 #5
Greed....Hatred....Delusion. These are the roots of this evil....and the enemy is "us" ashredux Aug 2019 #6
Inmates have taken over the asylum Fyrefox Aug 2019 #7
The stock market crashes, beginning in 1929, were labeled, [instead of the usual empedocles Aug 2019 #8
No offence but this sounds like the opening monologue of every TV evangelist. former9thward Aug 2019 #9
Not so much supernatural or demonic, but a backlash to the 90's when authoritarians fell, and ehrnst Aug 2019 #10
Ehrnst, I'm inclined to agree with you, but it's hard to beat the motivational power of good vs evil DemocracyMouse Aug 2019 #29
Technically, Russia has a "democracy" and it's not "good." ehrnst Aug 2019 #37
we're setting a bad example here thanks to liberal ignorance of talk radio and certainot Aug 2019 #11
We've been here before. Hortensis Aug 2019 #12
Hortensis, you are so right, and so well-spoken! DemocracyMouse Aug 2019 #32
:) Yeats' words live again. And isn't that scary. Hortensis Aug 2019 #34
With someone like Trump Timmygoat Aug 2019 #13
It's just the same old public interest common good vs greed and self interest bucolic_frolic Aug 2019 #15
that force is greed. mopinko Aug 2019 #16
Fortunately, it will soon end Roy Rolling Aug 2019 #17
Great choice. 58Sunliner Aug 2019 #47
Cambridge Analytica Johnny2X2X Aug 2019 #18
Similar but not the same Roy Rolling Aug 2019 #23
Not all rubes Johnny2X2X Aug 2019 #28
People believe what they WANT to believe. luvtheGWN Aug 2019 #35
I wish that were true Johnny2X2X Aug 2019 #38
That's fascinating... zaj Aug 2019 #36
agreed proud patriot Aug 2019 #51
The Great Hack about Cambridge Analytica & The Family are new docs on Netflix Hestia Aug 2019 #56
I feel llashram Aug 2019 #19
eddie glaud on mj just now mopinko Aug 2019 #20
'Twas ever thus. WhiskeyGrinder Aug 2019 #21
Capitalism destroyed our Democracy, fascism will destroy the country. nt yaesu Aug 2019 #22
Recommended. H2O Man Aug 2019 #25
I agree, Kentuck. cilla4progress Aug 2019 #26
❤️ underpants Aug 2019 #27
I agree with you Kentuck but evil is just ignorance Taraman Aug 2019 #30
"evil is just ignorance" FiveGoodMen Aug 2019 #58
But ignorance is not necessarily evil... kentuck Aug 2019 #59
I just watched "The Hack" on Netfix... Bluethroughu Aug 2019 #33
I've been talking about this on here since the election Johnny2X2X Aug 2019 #39
I think it's because everyone knows we Bluethroughu Aug 2019 #42
Not sure what will work Johnny2X2X Aug 2019 #43
I have to agree with you. nancy1942 Aug 2019 #41
Nah. It's just too many humans realizing that soon there's going to be way less space & food. CrispyQ Aug 2019 #44
Midnight thoughts. I feel fairly bleak, too. I think the entire human world is about to convulse Hekate Aug 2019 #45
This would explain so much. I havetyhoughtof it, but do not have skip fox Aug 2019 #46
That evil has pretty much existed in most of the world Trenzalore Aug 2019 #48
and the phoenix will rise proud patriot Aug 2019 #50
Which island chain is that? (nt) mr_lebowski Aug 2019 #54
Aloha Malama Pono proud patriot Aug 2019 #60
Remember the Twilight Zone MFM008 Aug 2019 #52
kick Demovictory9 Aug 2019 #55
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