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grantcart

(53,061 posts)
90. The US is so painfully countrycentric that even when things are going relatively well
Tue Aug 20, 2019, 11:26 AM
Aug 2019

Comments made in the US are almost about other countries are cringe worthy in the best of times.

I will give you an example "I am against the TPP" is the kind of statement that no politician outside the US would ever consider making nut is common here. You might be against the US joining the TPP but saying you are against the TPP itself projects the idea that if the US is against it then it will cease to exist.

Living outside the US gives you the virtual daily experience of Americans giving glib advice to other countries while we commit the same or greater offenses but at least the other country refrains from the constant barrage of condescension that Americans are so found of. During the election season you can hear US ambassadors lecture various countries all the while there is a river of stories about people not being able to vote here because of intentional actions by government officials (like the 95 year old black woman who having voted in every election or 50 years being denied a ballot because she no longer has a driving license).

We are the country that separates children from their parents not Great Britain

We are the country that is proposing to actually have a net out migration of people with official refugee status.

We are the country with idiot advisers in key spots like Bolton, not GB.

We are the country that broke its word on the Iranian deal not GB and, most inexplicably we are the only country who has left the Paris Climate Accords which aimed at voluntary action.

So while I personally think that Brexit is not in U.K. long term interest I just feel that condescending lectures would be better sourced from other countries where public discourse and policy is actually performing at a higher level of wisdom and kindness but the irony is of course that citizens from other countries don't really do that kind of thing.

Giving condescending gratuitous advice to other countries really is the one metric that the US really is number 1 at.

Funny thing. Wellstone ruled Aug 2019 #1
sure, but the same could be said about pretty much every country....including the U.S. /nt sdfernando Aug 2019 #6
At least we cleaned up our own messes Wellstone ruled Aug 2019 #9
You mean like when we overthrew the duly elected sdfernando Aug 2019 #11
or Guatemala or Honduras or Nicaragua...or any Central or South American nation. Javaman Aug 2019 #12
Did forget to add this, Wellstone ruled Aug 2019 #16
you may want to respond to sdfernando instead of me. nt Javaman Aug 2019 #26
or Guyana (with the British) malaise Aug 2019 #50
Yes we really screwed up the Wellstone ruled Aug 2019 #28
Isn't today the anniversary of that coup? malaise Aug 2019 #49
Wow,a blast from the past. Wellstone ruled Aug 2019 #55
Which ones in the Middle East irisblue Aug 2019 #13
Is this meant to be ironic? BannonsLiver Aug 2019 #15
That's a wee silly. LanternWaste Aug 2019 #25
We'll see next November lame54 Aug 2019 #42
We can't even clean the water in Detroit and Newark. bluedigger Aug 2019 #46
What?! We cleaned up our own messes??!! Since when?! yardwork Aug 2019 #97
We partially clean up our messes. Blue_true Aug 2019 #100
We don't decide huge existential issues by referendum dawg day Aug 2019 #19
I'm afraid Scotland would not be permitted to remain in the EU Mike_DuBois Aug 2019 #38
Why would Spain care if Scotland becomes a separate country and stays in the EU? PoindexterOglethorpe Aug 2019 #45
Because of Catalonia cabot Aug 2019 #47
Okay. But could they single-handedly veto PoindexterOglethorpe Aug 2019 #48
I believe so cabot Aug 2019 #52
That's not true. Denzil_DC Aug 2019 #61
Also, Scotland is an historical nation, which entered into a voluntary Ghost Dog Aug 2019 #72
Thank you for the well-informed post. yardwork Aug 2019 #98
Yes. It only takes one veto to block entry. Mike_DuBois Aug 2019 #65
Your claims about Spain's attitude to Scottish EU membership are outdated. Denzil_DC Aug 2019 #66
"If the two parts of the United Kingdom are in agreement Ghost Dog Aug 2019 #73
Interesting. It has been three years since I was in the neighborhood Mike_DuBois Aug 2019 #83
The only thing that's changed is that we're not in the heat of a Scottish independence referendum. Denzil_DC Aug 2019 #85
Lions led by donkeys Dennis Donovan Aug 2019 #24
In 1,000,000 years there will be courses on the Laws of Unintentional Consequences erronis Aug 2019 #32
Where did you think the word "hubris" come from? nt Blue_true Aug 2019 #99
Because one of Putin's deputies in the Brexit scam is now the PM. lagomorph777 Aug 2019 #2
yeah, but he's on his way out ProfessorPlum Aug 2019 #4
I hope you're right! lagomorph777 Aug 2019 #8
The Brits are wondering the Scarsdale Aug 2019 #33
it's not really a criticism, I'm scared to death for them ProfessorPlum Aug 2019 #34
EXCUUUUUUUSE me, Professor Plum. luvtheGWN Aug 2019 #91
:) Sorry, I must have forgotten what I was talking aboot ProfessorPlum Aug 2019 #93
We are out resisting....are they? nt UniteFightBack Aug 2019 #59
+1,000 malaise Aug 2019 #88
FFS, why can't Americans just admit the Con was a stupid idea, driven by Putin pbmus Aug 2019 #3
Because such a Putin-centric worldview is overly simplistic Ghost Dog Aug 2019 #74
Trumpers and trumpets heartily agree... pbmus Aug 2019 #95
Because, put simply, the good old imperialists from Eton malaise Aug 2019 #5
Oh so true! Wellstone ruled Aug 2019 #17
Nineteenth century? They want sixteenth century! Ghost Dog Aug 2019 #75
Ha - Eric Williams agrees with you malaise Aug 2019 #80
Good source, thanks. Ghost Dog Aug 2019 #81
I picked the 19th century because that is when Britain dominated world trade malaise Aug 2019 #87
The same way that NewJeffCT Aug 2019 #7
I have no trouble admitting that ProfessorPlum Aug 2019 #18
sure NewJeffCT Aug 2019 #20
This is a good illuminating discussion. Perhaps our forms of governance are rigged? erronis Aug 2019 #35
I think most democracies NewJeffCT Aug 2019 #37
Just read Malcolm Nance to get lots of illumination on this. triron Aug 2019 #63
yes NewJeffCT Aug 2019 #64
Malcolm Nance has a NEW book coming out November 12, 2019 Haggis for Breakfast Aug 2019 #96
The question is why malaise Aug 2019 #86
The Brits have always been stubborn atreides1 Aug 2019 #10
I've wondered the same thing Leith Aug 2019 #14
NI did vote to remain. Myrddin Aug 2019 #67
I agree Proud Liberal Dem Aug 2019 #21
That would be nice. In your op I'd insert the word "corrupt" abqtommy Aug 2019 #22
I have so many tabs open to articles on Brexit..trying to understand what the hell is going on asiliveandbreathe Aug 2019 #23
AMazing how far off topic you guys can get. Srkdqltr Aug 2019 #27
this is about Putin sowing discord and anarchy within the US, UK, and EU ProfessorPlum Aug 2019 #36
What is 'on topic' in this thread? (nt) muriel_volestrangler Aug 2019 #57
Nothing... That was my point. Srkdqltr Aug 2019 #60
I'm not sure you get what DU is about muriel_volestrangler Aug 2019 #71
Parliament could vote to reverse Brexit! Thunderbeast Aug 2019 #29
You're forgetting Wales. geardaddy Aug 2019 #31
And this will unsettle Ireland... Heartstrings Aug 2019 #40
I am spending summer in Ireland marlakay Aug 2019 #76
well, there's the russian problem as many of the English power brokers are minipulated yaesu Aug 2019 #30
In for a penny... Act_of_Reparation Aug 2019 #39
Britain now has a chief Brexiter as PM, so no they aren't going to say it was a mistake. Doodley Aug 2019 #41
"lawmaking factory on mainland Europe" ProfessorPlum Aug 2019 #53
You're right, it's not true. Denzil_DC Aug 2019 #62
Excellent source, thanks! nt Ghost Dog Aug 2019 #77
The British Pound is plummeting GETPLANING Aug 2019 #43
why is trump president? barbtries Aug 2019 #44
Because 51% of the country LittleGirl Aug 2019 #51
Only 37% of the electorate voted to leave, Ghost Dog Aug 2019 #78
Because it's what The City (their Wall Street) wants sandensea Aug 2019 #54
Only the more speculative and dodgy elements of the City. Ghost Dog Aug 2019 #79
Because "Britain" is tens of millions of people, not one person. DavidDvorkin Aug 2019 #56
How often does an individual change their mind on a political decision? fescuerescue Aug 2019 #58
Yes and they could communicate this to National Security Advisor Bolton grantcart Aug 2019 #68
The hell? ProfessorPlum Aug 2019 #84
The US is so painfully countrycentric that even when things are going relatively well grantcart Aug 2019 #90
you're projecting a ton of stuff on to me ProfessorPlum Aug 2019 #92
Their government won't admit it DFW Aug 2019 #69
The UK's national poem is about a light cavalry brigade Recursion Aug 2019 #70
Cause we are ruled by duplicitous wankers who want power more than anything Soph0571 Aug 2019 #82
"Because I never lie, and I'm always right!" struggle4progress Aug 2019 #89
"why can't Britain just admit that leaving the EU was a dumb idea" They are like lemmings running Nitram Aug 2019 #94
They could say the same about some of the things Trump has done. Why amywalk Aug 2019 #101
It's bigger than Putin. MarkmBha1 Aug 2019 #102
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