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H2O Man

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Wed Sep 18, 2019, 11:41 AM Sep 2019

Impeach Trump [View all]

Washington (CNN)In a previously undisclosed secret mission in 2017, the United States successfully extracted from Russia one of its highest-level covert sources inside the Russian government, multiple Trump administration officials with direct knowledge told CNN.
Jim Sciutto; September 9, 2019

https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/09/politics/russia-us-spy-extracted/index.html


While reports on the CIA asset in Russia shifted slightly – including the anticipated denials from both sides – the nature of the genesis of the “Trump-Russian Scandal” has come into clearer focus for those who have been following it closely. Many people, including a number on this forum, knew that it had not started with George Papadopoulos – although that is likely when the FBI officially became involved.

The Steele dossier came after Papadopoulos's involvement, despite the Trump administration's claim that it started the intelligence investigation. It contains “raw” intelligence – the type of information that typically leads to closer examination to verify potential evidence needed in counterintelligence investigations. Parts of it remain unverified, and one section found inaccurate. Yet it indicates that people involved in intelligence were interested in the Trump campaign's connections with Russia in a manner far different than mere campaign opposition research.

The spy was extracted shortly after Trump fired FBI director James Comey. Trump then had the meeting with two Russians in the Oval Office, where he bragged about this. He would then tell Lestor Holt on national television that he fired Comey due to “the Russia thing.” The result of this was not limited to the CIA taking its emergency action to extract the spy: acting FNI director Andrew McCabe opened an investigation to consider the possibility that Trump was an active Russiian asset, while Rod Rosenstein of the Justice Department appointed Robert Mueller to head its expanded investigation.

The significance of this cluster of activity by intelligence agencies should not be overlooked. Also, that while those in the White House often say that the administration cooperated fully with the investigation, that Mr. Mueller reported that some individuals refused to be interviewed, and others lied to investigators. Several of the liars were indicted and convicted. And most significantly, Trump refused to be interviewed.

The Mueller Report was divided into two sections: the first regarding the Russian operation, and potential conspiracy with the Trump campaign, the second on Trump's obstruction of justice during the investigation. Part one concluded that, based upon the evidence, prosecutors were not confident that they could get a conviction for a conspiracy between Russia and the Trump campaign. It did not conclude that there was no coordination between them, including the infamous Trump Tower meeting led by Donald, Jr. More, it is important to recognize that information that intelligence agencies other than the FBI had gathered would be too sensitive to use in a domestic prosecution.

Part two of the report detailed Donald Trump's on-going efforts to obstruct the Mueller investigation. The report clearly stated that while DOJ guidelines do not permit the indictment of a sitting president, the report did not clear Trump of potential charges of obstruction of justice. Rather, the report provided a road map for Congress to investigate Trump.

After issuing the report, Mr.Mueller remained in his position to complete his contribution to the counterintelligence report. This report has not been made public, of course, as it is highly classified. Only a very few members of the House and Senate intelligence committees are aware of a limited amount of the information contained in it.

Several House committees are currently investigating the “potential” crimes of Donald Trump. As we have seen over the past months, the White House is refusing to cooperate with the House as it fulfills its constitutional duties. Attorney General Barr is playing point for the stonewalling. Indeed, Barr is attempting to abuse the powers of the Justice Department by investigating Trump's “enemies.” It appears that this includes a failed attempt to get a grand jury indictment of Mr. McCabe. The curious timing of Sciutto's report suggests that the intelligence community is sending Barr a message to stop his nonsense.

Yesterday, we were subjected to Corey Lewandowski's performance before a House committee. It provided a glaring example not only of the administration's on-going attempts to obstruct the investigation by claiming the right to claim privileges it is not legally entitled to, but of the willingness of Trump's true believers to lie while under oath. In the last half-hour, we were treated to the dismantling of Lewandowski when questioned for more than five minutes by a prosecutor.

The Trump administration's refusal to follow the law also includes its refusal to provide the head of the House Means and Ways Committee with the president's tax returns. The law is crystal clear regarding their legal obligation to provide these. As we all know, the law states the administration “shall” provide them, and Democrats agree on the meaning of the word “shall.”

I've said all of this, in order to focus now on the issue of if the Democrats should impeach Trump. The Constitution clearly states that in instances where the president commits high crimes and misdemeanors, the Congress “shall” impeach the president. The majority of Democrats in the House recognize that the word “shall” is consistent in federal law and in the Constitution. And they know that the Constitution does not include a clause that recommends delaying this duty for political purposes.

I do appreciate that others are entitled to opinions that differ from my own on a whole host of issues. But the need to impeach Trump seems glaringly obvious to me. What do you think?

Peace,
H2O Man

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Impeach Trump [View all] H2O Man Sep 2019 OP
ITTMFA! Hermit-The-Prog Sep 2019 #1
Thank you! H2O Man Sep 2019 #3
this is paramount Hermit-The-Prog Sep 2019 #7
Definitely. H2O Man Sep 2019 #8
Exactly! Magoo48 Sep 2019 #25
are you going to confess? Hermit-The-Prog Sep 2019 #34
Well, there you go! H2O Man Sep 2019 #45
+1,000 malaise Sep 2019 #29
Can't do it soon enuf for me. 5X Sep 2019 #2
Thanks! H2O Man Sep 2019 #4
Impeach him with the most extreme prejudice. kentuck Sep 2019 #5
Thanks, kentuck! H2O Man Sep 2019 #6
ITTMF malaise Sep 2019 #9
Thanks, malaise! H2O Man Sep 2019 #10
As a fellow oldster, I'm loving it malaise Sep 2019 #11
I'm beginning to wonder H2O Man Sep 2019 #72
Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah! Hahahahahha malaise Sep 2019 #77
don't think any cash changed hands Hermit-The-Prog Sep 2019 #111
beatcha toit Hermit-The-Prog Sep 2019 #13
Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah malaise Sep 2019 #17
Mr Barr should have a little chat with the shade of John Mitchell malthaussen Sep 2019 #12
Thank you! H2O Man Sep 2019 #15
It is so much like right. And the only opposition I have heard is that Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2019 #14
Valid point. H2O Man Sep 2019 #16
damned if we do, damned if we don't Hermit-The-Prog Sep 2019 #19
Right. H2O Man Sep 2019 #21
Wish it wasn't "last resort" but no truer statement today Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2019 #24
Now is the time. H2O Man Sep 2019 #81
Suppose you heard Pelosi quoted today saying Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2019 #92
I did. H2O Man Sep 2019 #94
Odd strategy when it's smeared everywhere that Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2019 #95
I agree. H2O Man Sep 2019 #97
impeach him before the entire middle east is in flames. mopinko Sep 2019 #18
That is a huge point. H2O Man Sep 2019 #22
ASAFP Kid Berwyn Sep 2019 #20
Thanks, Kid Berwyn! H2O Man Sep 2019 #23
The man in the Oval Office is a traitor. Kid Berwyn Sep 2019 #70
DURec leftstreet Sep 2019 #26
Thank you! H2O Man Sep 2019 #54
I absolutely agree. warmfeet Sep 2019 #27
Well said. H2O Man Sep 2019 #55
I'm with you-- the hardest part will be deciding on 3-5 charges dawg day Sep 2019 #28
Obstruction has to be in there. LudwigPastorius Sep 2019 #43
Definitely! H2O Man Sep 2019 #57
Interesting! H2O Man Sep 2019 #56
What I think is the same as what you think. BadgerMom Sep 2019 #30
Thanks BadgerMom! H2O Man Sep 2019 #58
I feel the Democratic leadership knew and knows impeachment is inevitable. lunatica Sep 2019 #31
Very good! H2O Man Sep 2019 #73
K & R! 50 Shades Of Blue Sep 2019 #32
Thank you! H2O Man Sep 2019 #74
Shall not may. It has a tangible meaning where The Constitution is concerned ms liberty Sep 2019 #33
Exactly! H2O Man Sep 2019 #75
We are up against a giant web of corruption, and they have the means Baked Potato Sep 2019 #35
Very good. H2O Man Sep 2019 #79
Thanks, I really appreciate your return note! Baked Potato Sep 2019 #89
Thanks! H2O Man Sep 2019 #93
0101 Chalfont Sep 2019 #36
Thank you! H2O Man Sep 2019 #80
Problem is McConnell is up to his neck in Russian $$ too. Pobeka Sep 2019 #37
No doubt, the corruption in the GOP runs deep blm Sep 2019 #76
I respect the fact H2O Man Sep 2019 #82
I understand what you are saying, and will add this thought. Pobeka Sep 2019 #87
Agreed with this response and your OP. Thank you.. c-rational Sep 2019 #110
Good to see you, Waterman! mountain grammy Sep 2019 #38
Thank you! H2O Man Sep 2019 #83
Great and thoughtful OP. I agree 100%. Nevermypresident Sep 2019 #39
Thank you! H2O Man Sep 2019 #84
Post removed Post removed Sep 2019 #40
No. H2O Man Sep 2019 #85
there ought to be a way to pressure the Speaker. SleeplessinSoCal Sep 2019 #88
That's an excellent point. Wish I knew the answer. Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2019 #102
Saved to read later SaveOurDemocracy Sep 2019 #41
Thanks! H2O Man Sep 2019 #86
I'm with ya. LudwigPastorius Sep 2019 #42
Right. H2O Man Sep 2019 #104
KnR Will return to read at leisure Hekate Sep 2019 #44
Thanks! H2O Man Sep 2019 #105
I think it's too late. GeorgeGist Sep 2019 #46
Why is it too late?? kentuck Sep 2019 #47
I am a huge impeachment proponent, but admit there are days I think it's too late too. Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2019 #65
Agree & disagree. H2O Man Sep 2019 #106
Thanks for another thoughtful post. Will read when I finish work. CaptainTruth Sep 2019 #48
Thank you! H2O Man Sep 2019 #107
The Blue Wave of 18 was a bell weather moment and GOP knows it! MartyTheGreek Sep 2019 #49
That makes a lot of sense. kentuck Sep 2019 #51
Very interesting! H2O Man Sep 2019 #108
There does not have to be a full vote of the House to investigate anyone.. kentuck Sep 2019 #50
True. H2O Man Sep 2019 #109
Yes, impeachment is needed. lark Sep 2019 #52
As I see it, we have a duty to impeach Donald Trump. democrank Sep 2019 #53
K&R... spanone Sep 2019 #59
Thanks H2O Man. I imagine that Pelosi has not considered the risk of disaffected voters should alwaysinasnit Sep 2019 #60
Glaringly obvious bluescribbler Sep 2019 #61
I think you are absolutely correct, we need to impeach. Pepsidog Sep 2019 #62
One thing I don't get is that I remember Nadler saying he wanted to start writing up Articles Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2019 #63
We need to continue investigations rockfordfile Sep 2019 #64
Been ready for it for quite awhile... N_E_1 for Tennis Sep 2019 #66
Kick dalton99a Sep 2019 #67
it is way past glaringly obvious Skittles Sep 2019 #68
Tonight's breaking news should be the last straw malaise Sep 2019 #90
I agree. And have been saying this for some time. The Democratic Leadership berni_mccoy Sep 2019 #69
I would love to see AnusMouth tRumpski waterboarded! lastlib Sep 2019 #71
nothing will get the truth out of TTMF Hermit-The-Prog Sep 2019 #98
It Is Like Evil Bizarro World colsohlibgal Sep 2019 #78
+1 Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2019 #96
Shall. hay rick Sep 2019 #91
I agree with you 100%. Impeach him now. Bluepinky Sep 2019 #99
Kick ck4829 Sep 2019 #100
Tank you for putting it all together so succinctly UpInArms Sep 2019 #101
Yea its time. pwb Sep 2019 #103
patriotism requires selflessness which is anti-Republican Hermit-The-Prog Sep 2019 #113
Glaring is descriptive. Impeachment should have started prior to and parallel PufPuf23 Sep 2019 #112
Nicely done WaterMan! malaise Sep 2019 #114
Thanks! H2O Man Sep 2019 #115
We knew this was coming malaise Sep 2019 #116
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