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Whiskeytide

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101. Not exactly. It's not a suit that's trying ...

Mon Oct 7, 2019, 07:16 PM

Oct 2019

... to get his returns published because he is/was running for president or some other national office - I.e. they are not seeking some kind of a public office disclosure requirement.

It’s an investigation by state law enforcement looking to enforce state laws for crimes that occurred before he was elected.

The SC could pre-empt state law here, but it would take some legal gymnastics and the disregarding of quite a bit of precedent, and it would set a bad precedent for future cases.

Could they do it? Sure. But it’s not a slam dunk that even this stacked SC would.

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YES! Cracklin Charlie Oct 2019 #1

This message was self-deleted by its author redstatebluegirl Oct 2019 #2

YAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! empedocles Oct 2019 #3

K&R... spanone Oct 2019 #4

He still won't do it. edhopper Oct 2019 #5

This is a state issue not federal. nt BumRushDaShow Oct 2019 #12

Why is this in the Federal Courts? still_one Oct 2019 #15

Why do plaintiffs take anything to federal court? BumRushDaShow Oct 2019 #18

DOJ and SDNY NewJeffCT Oct 2019 #24

LOL BumRushDaShow Oct 2019 #26

Apparently they were unaware of Jones v Clinton DeminPennswoods Oct 2019 #28

and I'm sure the Republican dominated SCOTUS NewJeffCT Oct 2019 #40

Jones v Clinton DeminPennswoods Oct 2019 #87

and that is why I am asking why can't it be apealed all the way to the SC? still_one Oct 2019 #25

Of course they will appeal it as far as they can BumRushDaShow Oct 2019 #27

Settled law can always be changed. Especially by this SCOTUS who doesn't believe in precedent... Kablooie Oct 2019 #44

Sure BumRushDaShow Oct 2019 #59

Appeals to the Supreme Court aren't automatic, with a few narrow exceptions The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2019 #97

Agreed, but this one I believe they will accept beccause it involves just what a sitting President still_one Oct 2019 #98

Not exactly. It's not a suit that's trying ... Whiskeytide Oct 2019 #101

because trump. everything is a federal case with him, even when it's not. nt Javaman Oct 2019 #31

Wish I understood this better. Can any case you Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2019 #19

I'm in the same boat. Thanks for asking this. Also seems the judge would set a deadline for triron Oct 2019 #43

Any case can be appealed higher edhopper Oct 2019 #51

Thanks. So for trump it is always typically his Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2019 #76

pretty much. edhopper Oct 2019 #88

Love it Mystery sage Oct 2019 #6

There will be extra mad tweeting today! nt woodsprite Oct 2019 #7

Oh, that's going to make for some interesting reading. Farmer-Rick Oct 2019 #8

Keep it in the courts. kentuck Oct 2019 #9

I think you can bet on it still_one Oct 2019 #16

One way or another, they won't delay safeinOhio Oct 2019 #62

Oh my. You do know he is going to go full narcissist meltdown. We may be in a war by next week, SummerSnow Oct 2019 #10

Even the wild bunnies in the front yard are dancing! Finally some good news. hlthe2b Oct 2019 #11

Yesssss!! mfcorey1 Oct 2019 #13

GOOD!!! Cough 'em up, donald. calimary Oct 2019 #14

Did Trump not say..."I have NOTHING to hide."? ProudMNDemocrat Oct 2019 #17

Biggest mystery. Say he has been audited for Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2019 #21

The "2nd whistleblower" has info related to the IRS and the audits BumRushDaShow Oct 2019 #32

Hope Schiff or some chair can get his testimony forthwith! triron Oct 2019 #45

Trump Speak: Newest Reality Oct 2019 #29

From the New York Times..... Roland99 Oct 2019 #20

"repugnant to the nation's governmental structure and constitutional values." - OUCH! onetexan Oct 2019 #63

I want to see that on a billboard!!!! Lol Takket Oct 2019 #75

They'll appeal the ruling. His lawyers will keep it locked up in the courts for a while. nt Quackers Oct 2019 #22

Yes they will appeal, but the judge refused to put a prelinary injunction in process, so I believe vsrazdem Oct 2019 #30

They will seek an immediate stay of the district court order before the subpoena is enforced onenote Oct 2019 #35

It's pretty cut and dried though jberryhill Oct 2019 #60

Not so sure about that. onenote Oct 2019 #83

They just issued a stay Polybius Oct 2019 #85

Which is unsurprising jberryhill Oct 2019 #90

And they are putting themselves at risk by appealing, because the judge went into great detail vsrazdem Oct 2019 #61

Does anyone seriously expect Trump to release them...? regnaD kciN Oct 2019 #36

Agree, but they are not asking Trump to release them. They are getting them from his accounting vsrazdem Oct 2019 #38

Expect an executive order pronto bucolic_frolic Oct 2019 #23

Not going to happen. onenote Oct 2019 #34

Let's bring this bastard down. bdamomma Oct 2019 #33

I will be reading this opinion today Gothmog Oct 2019 #37

The way i read it they have until 1pm today? bluestarone Oct 2019 #39

The GOP does realize that the tide will turn and Democrats will have the 3 branches of government? usaf-vet Oct 2019 #41

It will be a very long time edhopper Oct 2019 #54

Agreed, but to slow the further destruction is the best we can hope for over the short term. usaf-vet Oct 2019 #58

It won't happen. It will go to SCOTUS and they will rule the prez is immune. Kablooie Oct 2019 #42

Or not. orangecrush Oct 2019 #46

The SC shouldn't even take the case. gab13by13 Oct 2019 #50

If Roberts doesn't let his Republican claws show he will do the right thing and push the case back onetexan Oct 2019 #65

Quoting SNL: AINT NUTHIN GONNA HAPPEN Funtatlaguy Oct 2019 #53

As long as he is president he won't ever Release them. njhoneybadger Oct 2019 #47

+1 sandensea Oct 2019 #49

Facist Fatso .... LenaBaby61 Oct 2019 #55

They are in the position of his accountants... reACTIONary Oct 2019 #99

As it should be. sandensea Oct 2019 #48

they already got a restraining order.... spanone Oct 2019 #52

2nd Circuit issued a stay Roland99 Oct 2019 #56

Source? Damn judges. WTF! triron Oct 2019 #73

A tweet I'd seen Roland99 Oct 2019 #79

Here Polybius Oct 2019 #86

This is the judge in question jberryhill Oct 2019 #105

Innocent people, with nothing to hide, don't act like Trump. nt WePurrsevere Oct 2019 #57

What happens after they refuse to turn the documents over? Garrett78 Oct 2019 #64

What's happened so far? The P is invincible according to tRump until somke other power KPN Oct 2019 #70

Happy dance Soph0571 Oct 2019 #66

He will just find another friendly judge to reverse it. keithbvadu2 Oct 2019 #67

That's not the way it works. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2019 #82

It's all falling apart for him now. Joe941 Oct 2019 #68

But wait there's more. This means by 4 PM EST, NY will have some of the financial info ffr Oct 2019 #69

Trump lawyers submitted an emergency halt to the order. damn. But as Trump always riversedge Oct 2019 #71

FFS, it's been "stay"ed AGAIN! ffr Oct 2019 #72

Fuck the judge that did this. What is wrong with these fuckers? triron Oct 2019 #74

It's strictly procedural, nothing wrong with the judges. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2019 #81

So why not refuse to grant a stay? Judge should know better. He has his head buried in the sand? triron Oct 2019 #89

Aside from your sexist assumption... jberryhill Oct 2019 #91

"The knee-jerk attacks against the courts" are the result of people The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2019 #93

This is the judge who issued the temporary stay jberryhill Oct 2019 #106

Yes, but he granted a stay pending appeal! He *must* be a Trumpist stooge! The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2019 #108

How am I not advocating rule of law?? A stay only 'may be granted'; not required to be. triron Oct 2019 #94

You were not labelled sexist jberryhill Oct 2019 #95

The court is majority liberal that issued that stay Polybius Oct 2019 #103

Because *all* parties have the right to appeal an unfavorable ruling. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2019 #92

The SCOTUS Justice for the 2nd District Appeals Court is Ruth Bader Ginsberg. 13 judges sit on ancianita Oct 2019 #77

The judge's order has been STAYED by the Appeals Court elleng Oct 2019 #78

The judge's memorandum discusses at length why the OLC memos The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2019 #80

thanks! Hermit-The-Prog Oct 2019 #102

my favorite paragraph ... Hermit-The-Prog Oct 2019 #104

Why is he fighting this considering this has been done by prior presidents? Obviously ... SWBTATTReg Oct 2019 #84

Doubt it'll be overturned on appeal lettucebe Oct 2019 #96

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Cha Oct 2019 #100

Like Bo Dietl said to Henry Hill, Mc Mike Oct 2019 #107