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Moostache

(9,895 posts)
10. Here is the bottom line for Trumpy the Clown...
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 05:35 PM
Oct 2019

1) He is caught. Red-handed.

2) He admitted to being caught.

3) He thought he could bully his way through this one too: "No Collusion, No Obstruction" becoming "No Quid Pro Quo, Perfect Call"; but, fortunately, enough people seem to still care about the rule of law to scoff at his BS this time around (though certainly not the dead enders in the GOP caucus)...the latest polling showing independents moving towards impeach and remove has got to have him shitting his pants hourly.

4) If you were innocent, you would have released the original tapes of the call (not the sanitized confession that you thought was 'perfect' enough to BS everyone with)...

5) If you were innocent, you would allow EVERYONE and ANYONE to testify because you would KNOW they have nothing to say aside from the truth...it is obvious that the tactics used to stonewall first Mueller, and then committees looking into Mueller's findings on obstruction, are being rolled out here too. Claims of privilege where none exist, nonsensical claims of 'rigged processes' and 'kangaroo courts', bizarre claims of impeachment for positions not subject to the process and so on...these are ALL the machinations of a deeply guilty man.

The GOP is going to allow him to serve out his term, but they will be willing to kneecap him in 2020 to save their own seats if it came down to it. The "base" is hopelessly stupid and irretrievably wrapped up in Trumpy Bear's "owning the libs" persona to EVER admit they have been conned, but the Never-Trumpers are horrified at the circus and the trainwreck that is this administration. Independents are largely milquetoasts to me, but even they are seeing Trumpy Bear for the loser and liar he is now...

In the end, Trump leaves office in the next 15 months, but the sooner the better to avoid even more lasting damage...once he is gone, there is a whole laundry list of things we need to codify into law instead of allowing traditions and norms to enforce them:

- candidates for President, Vice-President and Cabinet positions or SCOTUS appointments MUST release publically their last 5 years of tax returns at a minimum. Failure to do so is immediate cause for disqualification from office or appointment.

- Presidents with significant external and international business interests MUST fully divest from them or place them into blind trusts for the duration of their term in office PLUS five (5) years AFTER leaving office...the office of POTUS is NOT for printing personal gains, period.

- Citizens United is in drastic need of a constitutional amendment to have it struck down. Money is NOT free speech, it is a megaphone to drown OUT free speech and it MUST be contained for the sake of maintaining this fragile republic to make it to 250 years old...

- press conferences are to be held a minimum of once a week (barring vacations or weird calendar fluctuations) and INSIDE the press briefing room; additionally, Presidential announcements will be banned from Twitter and any other social media outlet that enforces any kind of character limit to encourage idiotic short-hand. The POTUS is to return to communicating CLEARLY and in an ORDERLY manner to the public and to the world.

- unless a meeting between POTUS and any other Head of State is an actual negotiation to END OR PREVENT WAR, a full and complete transcript of the conversation shall be entered into the public record no later than 48 hours after said conversation occurs...if the President can't allow the public to hear it, he has no business saying it...

- Executive Privilege shall NOT extend to anyone beyond specific discussions of classified material or war planning...no other conversations, documents or summaries shall be construed to be beyond the reach of oversight by the Congress and the People.

No vote!! [View all] EarlG Oct 2019 OP
A vote would just fall out along party lines... Wounded Bear Oct 2019 #1
And I don't see Nancy falling for such a ploy WhiteTara Oct 2019 #7
EXACTLY BumRushDaShow Oct 2019 #11
Agree, and if Congress votes to impeach now MyMission Oct 2019 #56
There are two different votes at issue, I believe intrepidity Oct 2019 #71
And yet I see some here trying to push a vote. lagomorph777 Oct 2019 #81
Justice delayed is Justice denied. maxsolomon Oct 2019 #2
The courts are actually moving pretty quickly StarfishSaver Oct 2019 #9
Really? What have they delivered on? maxsolomon Oct 2019 #13
The legal process is very slow. The courts are moving much more quickly than normal. StarfishSaver Oct 2019 #14
even on cases not involving Congress ... Hermit-The-Prog Oct 2019 #54
Have you seen a good status list of everything outstanding? Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2019 #41
Yup, Magoo48 Oct 2019 #52
I don't see how we would benefit in any way from taking a vote. TidalWave46 Oct 2019 #3
Do not underestimate the value of an unequivocal AYE Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2019 #18
How many unequivocal Nay"s will there be? TidalWave46 Oct 2019 #20
If we are waiting for more worse stuff to come out Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2019 #42
Neither Trump nor his supporters can tell us how to proceed. Kingofalldems Oct 2019 #22
That they are asking for a vote has zero to do with Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2019 #26
Yeah, I don't like the idea of allowing this administration to order us around Mike 03 Oct 2019 #4
Yes. stage left Oct 2019 #32
Lock them up in an undisclosed location. Efilroft Sul Oct 2019 #64
Amen. ramen Oct 2019 #63
Regardless, Pelosi, Schiff et al are not going to... dchill Oct 2019 #5
Word of the day..what they do everyday - REPUGNANT....n/t asiliveandbreathe Oct 2019 #6
a question every reporter should be asking trump and all of his surrogates barbtries Oct 2019 #8
Exactly! Duppers Oct 2019 #24
Here is the bottom line for Trumpy the Clown... Moostache Oct 2019 #10
Excellent points...but...serve out his term?. You mean Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2019 #30
Great points. Please run for Congress. Bring your list along. usaf-vet Oct 2019 #80
Yes! What Are you HIDING, Impotent Cha Oct 2019 #12
The courts won't care about a formal vote..... getagrip_already Oct 2019 #15
Yes, but others are saying the courts will care and expedite Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2019 #19
the courts can move at a glacial pace..... getagrip_already Oct 2019 #43
I believe you but why are so many saying that the f Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2019 #45
Lots of people.... getagrip_already Oct 2019 #48
Ok I will. Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2019 #49
If you have to hide to do something, you have to know it's wrong---unless Doitnow Oct 2019 #16
But legal requirements mean nothing. They repeatedly ignore subpoenas without consequences. Garrett78 Oct 2019 #17
True. So anything we can do to speed up the legal Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2019 #21
could have impeached, and suffered a CRUSHING loss (nt) stopdiggin Oct 2019 #69
This message was self-deleted by its author elocs Oct 2019 #23
CNN panel just suggested mindfulNJ Oct 2019 #25
CNN? malaise Oct 2019 #31
Yep mindfulNJ Oct 2019 #39
And my question for CNN would be Mr.Bill Oct 2019 #33
Of course he wouldn't. But we can potentially gain Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2019 #37
I think we would look weak Mr.Bill Oct 2019 #38
Yes but do we look strong now? Impeachment inquiry agreement "lite" Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2019 #47
Us voting would not change his behavior one bit. n/t Mr.Bill Oct 2019 #53
No it likely wouldn't. He's a giant unknown who Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2019 #57
Innocent people don't obstruct justice. Kid Berwyn Oct 2019 #27
Don't let the asshole make up bullshit "rules" and impose them on the House. dalton99a Oct 2019 #28
they should vote on an impeachment inquiry. for the record. Lib 4 Life Oct 2019 #29
+1. Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2019 #58
That's all well and good, but being on the correct side means squat without punishment Goodheart Oct 2019 #34
Until repercussions, why would trump and whitehouse cooperate. Explain. beachbumbob Oct 2019 #35
You are right. No criminal is going to just give in Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2019 #77
We Don't Need No Stinkin' Vote . . OldManTarHeel Oct 2019 #36
OK, I'll be the Devil's Advocate. TomSlick Oct 2019 #40
getagrip's grots..... getagrip_already Oct 2019 #44
I mostly agree but if Trump is daring us to give him rope to hang himself, I say go for it. TomSlick Oct 2019 #46
Ew...you were so damn logical until the last Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2019 #59
the down side is that a failed vote stopdiggin Oct 2019 #70
If there is a failed vote - which I very much doubt - it's all a futile exercise anyway. TomSlick Oct 2019 #92
agree that a defeat is unlikely stopdiggin Oct 2019 #93
They are guilty as hell warmfeet Oct 2019 #50
They're so morally and mentally defective C_U_L8R Oct 2019 #51
Simple answer Midnightwalk Oct 2019 #55
I doubt he'll even show up for that. Mr.Bill Oct 2019 #60
Might be right Midnightwalk Oct 2019 #65
I agree. n/t Mr.Bill Oct 2019 #68
Nancy ain't going for the okey doke. oasis Oct 2019 #61
K&R...👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼 spanone Oct 2019 #62
In Nancy We Trust. Talitha Oct 2019 #66
The House of Representatives... shall have the sole Power of Impeachment. Tactical Peek Oct 2019 #67
Operative words "the House of Representatives" Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2019 #75
Was there a vote to hold the endless treestar Oct 2019 #72
Answer: They have everything to hide. Hortensis Oct 2019 #73
The administration's legal arguments just may be enough to at least get them into court LTG Oct 2019 #74
Why do you think -45/GOP are asking for a vote? Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2019 #79
Motives from a non-rational mind? LTG Oct 2019 #90
Ms. Pelosi...please, Cartaphelius Oct 2019 #76
No one proposing that are they? Only talking now Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2019 #78
K&R BlueJac Oct 2019 #82
Don't forget what Michael Avenatti said. calimary Oct 2019 #83
The problem with this argument is that the House relies on the justice system to enforce Texin Oct 2019 #84
NO EARIG, A BETTER QUESTION WOULD BE... blakstoneranger Oct 2019 #85
Yes! Btw just read there are 14 soft rep senators. So Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2019 #91
Amen. Last thing we need to do is let them call the shots and set the narrative. 58Sunliner Oct 2019 #86
Take the damn vote. Not taking the vote doesn't look good imo. Alea Oct 2019 #87
NO VOTE! GOP is exactly like a shark testing its prey - poke, poke - no response? KILL IT. (nt) IndyOp Oct 2019 #88
Kicking for visibility! Niagara Oct 2019 #89
I agree. It's still too early to vote. herding cats Oct 2019 #94
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