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H2O Man

(75,910 posts)
8. Great question.
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 02:49 PM
Nov 2019

Luckily, I don't need to speculate. A number of his writings touch on this, and one of his greatest books focuses on just that. He had a great understanding of systems, from families to schools to workplaces to nations. And you may have noticed, over the years, that I find systems fascinating. (Chloe called me after one of her classes a couple weeks ago, to say that while other students weren't familiar with the study of systems, her father had talked to her about them since she was a youngster.Her professor was impressed with what she already knew.)

A malignant narcissist tends to attract two types of followers in the context of politics. These include sociopaths who have previously not been cruel to their full potential before joining the "leader," and those who are on a lesser scale in terms of pathology, but who will be willing if not eager to follow orders. There are some outstanding documentaries on both types in Hitler's circle of madness, though it is sickening to sit through the films.

Perhaps an easier model is found in the infamous Manson family. He attracted several sociopaths, including some who would plateau in their later, post-Manson years. It is fairly common for sociopaths to do this after, say, ages 45 to 50. They are still people to be avoided, but presentless of a threat. He also had a collection of individuals that were anti-social, but would not likely have murdered had they not been under his influence.

We can safely say that Stephen Miller is in that first group, and that Pence is in the second. That's why we need to not only get rid of Trump, but the whole crew. Nothing good can come from them, for they have no Good in their being, even if they are kind to their pets.



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And 45 million Americans worship him BECAUSE he is a malignant narcissist. Eliot Rosewater Nov 2019 #1
Agree & respectfully disagree. H2O Man Nov 2019 #5
I suppose some would turn on him, but not half...either way, this is MADNESS Eliot Rosewater Nov 2019 #23
Right. H2O Man Nov 2019 #25
What Would Fromm Say About The Republican Party, Do You Think? Me. Nov 2019 #2
Great question. H2O Man Nov 2019 #8
Great Answer Me. Nov 2019 #27
Fromm was so good. H2O Man Nov 2019 #33
Thank God You're Passing It On Me. Nov 2019 #34
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Careful.... Me. Nov 2019 #37
be careful what you wish for DENVERPOPS Nov 2019 #21
Lions and tigers and bears! H2O Man Nov 2019 #26
Everyone DENVERPOPS Nov 2019 #35
Correcting the title for ya: Fixing A-Whole. TheBlackAdder Nov 2019 #3
I stand corrected! H2O Man Nov 2019 #10
I see what you did there ... A-Whole ... aggiesal Nov 2019 #17
K&R smirkymonkey Nov 2019 #4
Thank you! H2O Man Nov 2019 #11
Clearly he is going to use every possible means to claim he wins in 2020 BSdetect Nov 2019 #6
I agree 100% H2O Man Nov 2019 #12
Had to go listen to this...Trumpty Dumpty has a hole in his head that needs fixing pecosbob Nov 2019 #7
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I think that I H2O Man Nov 2019 #28
interesting; fiction yields empathy Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2019 #48
K&R... spanone Nov 2019 #14
Thank you! H2O Man Nov 2019 #16
"We have the ability to kick the shit out of the Trump presidency." PWPippinesq Nov 2019 #18
I think she would. H2O Man Nov 2019 #29
I'm saving this! Thanks for sharing! Karadeniz Nov 2019 #19
Thanks! H2O Man Nov 2019 #30
That is all fine and good, but the real problem right now is not trump, its his enablers Perseus Nov 2019 #20
Interesting. H2O Man Nov 2019 #31
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He will be impeached. H2O Man Nov 2019 #32
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This past weekend, H2O Man Nov 2019 #39
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Exactly. malthaussen Nov 2019 #42
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I really like Chairman Nadler. H2O Man Nov 2019 #49
any ideas on what may happen inside WH over this part? Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2019 #50
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