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In reply to the discussion: 1 question for those supporting the chicago teachers [View all]rdking647
(5,113 posts)31. if the teachers are so great why are test scores so bad?
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I don't know the details of CPS, but often there are admins that could be let go.
NYC_SKP
Sep 2012
#1
That was a huge leap from 'cut some of the salaries of administrations' to 'so you want to see
sabrina 1
Sep 2012
#258
Actually, that's part of it, according to a poster teacher here on DU yesterday, and news reports.
Honeycombe8
Sep 2012
#227
its a pretty easy assumption to make when your tax burden is maong the highest in th ecountry
rdking647
Sep 2012
#18
You're making assertions not in evidence. What is the effective tax rate in Chicago?
leveymg
Sep 2012
#204
Only "problems" if one doesn't want solutions. On-screen transactions can be taxed, and as for the
leveymg
Sep 2012
#289
how does chicago tax on screen transaction if the cme moves to another city?
rdking647
Sep 2012
#292
SEC regulatory change: all trades have to be transacted through a specified exchange - CBT - to
leveymg
Sep 2012
#298
Maybe they are paid more highly but teaching in Chicago Public Schools is a tough venue.
snappyturtle
Sep 2012
#8
Do teachers salaries in a jurisdiction change according to the toughness of the school?
Honeycombe8
Sep 2012
#231
actually its the teachers union itself that proclaims teacher there the 2nd highest paid in the coun
rdking647
Sep 2012
#38
when i pointed out the fact the teachers where among the highest paid in teh country you replied
rdking647
Sep 2012
#49
When NO ONE gives on any of the other substantive issues, you go for the biggest "weapon" you have.
patrice
Sep 2012
#152
That's a pretty poor standard since teachers in the US are very poorly paid compared to other
sabrina 1
Sep 2012
#260
You were WRONG about the Chicago sales tax rate being the "highest in the nation"
U4ikLefty
Sep 2012
#274
Good for them. That's why we need Unions. Teachers are the lowest paid of all the professions, so
sabrina 1
Sep 2012
#259
I don't consider the Third Way that has infiltrated the party and is in lock step with
sabrina 1
Sep 2012
#122
Does he have a history of being anti-union or is this a quirk of Chicago power politics? nt
hack89
Sep 2012
#163
When you're losing pro-union Democrats on an issue, the PR has to be pretty bad.
Honeycombe8
Sep 2012
#234
No one is losing pro-Union Democrats. The Third Wayers however who have infiltrated
sabrina 1
Sep 2012
#249
Maybe you should read some of the posts in this thread. Everyone in DU is pro-union, as far
Honeycombe8
Sep 2012
#278
The only people in this thread I see opposing the strike, are not people I would call pro-union
sabrina 1
Sep 2012
#282
The US national average can't be made up just of people with Master's Degrees
gollygee
Sep 2012
#291
I support teachers. My sister is one. But they are not in the low pay category.
Honeycombe8
Sep 2012
#235
Maybe they're paid highly because the cost of living in Chicago is considerably higher
Chorophyll
Sep 2012
#99
And hopefully those of us in the private sector will be as highly paid, too, right?
Honeycombe8
Sep 2012
#236
That was already said. That's what I responded to. It's not just about YOU, is it? It's about the
Honeycombe8
Sep 2012
#280
Cut the administration. Cut the jobs in administration. Cut the pay of administrators.
JDPriestly
Sep 2012
#13
You're the 2nd person to suggest firing people so you can get a pay raise.
Honeycombe8
Sep 2012
#237
I don't think you really understand what this is all about. I'm judging only by your comments
sabrina 1
Sep 2012
#248
Yes there is lots of money elsewhere in the budget.. Millions of it has been paid by Rahm to outside
sabrina 1
Sep 2012
#263
Break the parking meter contract, tax financial transactions, etc. There's always money available..
Scuba
Sep 2012
#15
breaking the parking meter contract=huge damages in a lawsuit. at least the billion they were paid
rdking647
Sep 2012
#23
You've fallen for bullshit scare tactics. The parking meter contract was rigged and can be broken..
Scuba
Sep 2012
#28
The parking meter contract was (allegedly) rigged, and therefore not legal. See the dif?
Scuba
Sep 2012
#106
Not really. Any malfeasance during the contracting and a judge will throw it out.
Scuba
Sep 2012
#214
A) That's BS there is so much tax money floating around Chicago, the machine hires temp workers
Egalitarian Thug
Sep 2012
#16
I would say breaking the promise of a raise is "screwing" and "paying them less than promised"....
Scuba
Sep 2012
#72
Cut the Chicago Police Department (being used as Rahm's 'enforcers' and
coalition_unwilling
Sep 2012
#20
If the Chicago PD is so great, then why is the murder rate so high????? Q.E.D. - n/t
coalition_unwilling
Sep 2012
#30
Maybe he's a devotee of Michelle Rhee and her ilk. No matter, he's now
coalition_unwilling
Sep 2012
#275
So you don't like teachers? Maybe it's because NCLB is a failure. Bush's NCLB is one of
sabrina 1
Sep 2012
#131
If it's really ONLY about money, shouldn't this question be, "Why doesn't money make a difference?"
patrice
Sep 2012
#161
I am glad there is a real discussion about not holding teachers accountable for ineducable children
AngryAmish
Sep 2012
#61
Each teacher ends up with ALL of the mistakes with each student that preceded him/her. It's not
patrice
Sep 2012
#98
You never know who ate the lead paint, who got an STD from mommy's boyfriend
AngryAmish
Sep 2012
#105
Parents aren't helping much either. The most common sense of what good curriculum is
patrice
Sep 2012
#114
The machine pays NO attention to anything but money, so that's the TOOL that teachers use for more
patrice
Sep 2012
#193
I suspect this is your answer to most labor issues. "fire that teachers." You are supporting
Vincardog
Sep 2012
#91
First of all, you don't know for a fact that Chicago's tax rate is astronomical.
ancianita
Sep 2012
#56
Do you have some numbers on that Charter School claim? You do realize that while
sabrina 1
Sep 2012
#130
How about this. How about taking all those millions of dollars Rahm is pouring into Private
sabrina 1
Sep 2012
#265
Sometimes individuals do have questions. It's not all about political ideologies. People can just be
patrice
Sep 2012
#62
I too wonder about that, because there's no greater threat than validly informed understanding.
patrice
Sep 2012
#304
If you want us to regard that as anything more than just your opinion, you should support it with
patrice
Sep 2012
#73
If you're against defending drone strikes, be prepared for an awkward moment at the ballot box.
alp227
Sep 2012
#283
That statement presumes an absolutely God-like knowledge & understanding of ALL of the factors.
patrice
Sep 2012
#305
Some people are so obsessed with authority that everything is explained in terms of that, rather
patrice
Sep 2012
#306
Yes! Kids are about a whole lot more stuff than just $$$!! So what is this about?
patrice
Sep 2012
#84
Unfortunately, the school year is not actually based on the election cycle. nt
Chorophyll
Sep 2012
#100
Wrong, this is exactly the right time for them to speak out. Where did this idea that the people
sabrina 1
Sep 2012
#267
Correction, anti-Union sentiment is unpopular with Democrats everywhere, not necessarily
sabrina 1
Sep 2012
#198
Shocking discovery - take it back to Mayor Rahmney. He's not too popular here, either.
leveymg
Sep 2012
#207
One reason it could be "crap" is that people do not understand that teachers have very little power
patrice
Sep 2012
#108
I taught high school for 8 years, mostly middle-&-upper-middle. I also still personally know
patrice
Sep 2012
#142
Most of our culture has a bad habit of, "It's the other guy/gal!" Teachers don't have that luxury.
patrice
Sep 2012
#182
Rahm has poured millions of funds into Private Corporations, some of them from outside
sabrina 1
Sep 2012
#268
The points you make suggest that this might actually be an opportunity for authentic change.nt
patrice
Sep 2012
#121
Oh, I'm naive, but I think teachers could be as well paid as defense contractors' executives and...
CreekDog
Sep 2012
#157
Teachers know that this is about more than money; money is the last means available to them to
patrice
Sep 2012
#173
I wish to goodness that this board would at least have them register, even if they don't tell us.
patrice
Sep 2012
#174
Karen Lewis said straight out last night that the compensation dispute is pretty small
riderinthestorm
Sep 2012
#178
Emmanuel said it was about the increased hours required for the 2% raise. nt
Honeycombe8
Sep 2012
#238
I believe it depends on whether the bond initiative is for a capital fund or a general fund.
LanternWaste
Sep 2012
#192
There are other options. My favorite: surcharge tax on hot air and RW talking points.
leveymg
Sep 2012
#205
I don't recommend the entire package, just that there are parts of a solution suggested within.
leveymg
Sep 2012
#225
"parents of Chicago schoolchildren were almost three times more likely to back the unions
Zorra
Sep 2012
#206
you can bet that if they needed a new football stadium, they would easily find the money
spanone
Sep 2012
#226
chicago isn't alone, public education could use some help in phiily or new york or even london
Agony
Sep 2012
#251
The DU answer will be to raise taxes on the other guy to pay for it
taught_me_patience
Sep 2012
#302