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mn9driver

(4,426 posts)
Wed May 13, 2020, 01:04 PM May 2020

Let's talk about airliner cabin air. [View all]

I’ve been flying large, pressurized airliners for 38 years. During that time I’ve checked out on a half dozen different types and they all have some things in common regarding the way they handle cabin air.

The first thing is that all the air is tapped from the engine compresser stages. At that point it is extremely hot and guaranteed sterile. It is cooled to a usable temperature and then distributed to the cabin.

In the cabin, the flow of air is mostly from top to bottom. It flows out of ducts above your head next to the skin and flows into return ducts by your feet, also by the skin. From there, it flows to the rear of the airplane under the floor.

At the rear of the plane, in older models it is exhausted overboard. In newer models, about half of it is exhausted and the rest is recirculated after passing through virus-class filters. So, all the air circulating in this way is either sterile to begin with, or has passed through filters that are supposed to be better than any typical face mask.

The one other source of cabin air is from the gasper vents over the seats. These are the small eyeball vents that you can open or close and swivel around if you want. This air is not recirculated. It comes directly from engine packs in its own separate ductwork. It is therefore the most sterile source of air since it is never mixed with recirculated air.

The way the system works, 100 percent of the air in the cabin is changed every two to four minutes, depending on how old the airliner is. Older ones change air faster.

Obviously, sitting close to someone who is coughing or sneezing without a mask is a hazard no matter what. But someone several rows from you is unlikely to give you the virus-at least not in flight. The greater hazard will be during boarding or deplaning.

So, my personal strategy:

-Take a window seat to take advantage of the way cabin air circulates.
-Use the gasper vent to blow sterile air just in front of your face, or to create an air curtain between you and a close neighbor.
-Avoid standing in the aisles during boarding and deplaning.
-Wear a mask as much as possible.

For those of you who will be flying during this time, I hope you find this information helpful.

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This is sensible, fact-based advice. BannonsLiver May 2020 #1
This is great information leftieNanner May 2020 #2
I'm not aware of any US or European airline that doesn't use HEPA class filters. mn9driver May 2020 #8
Thanks. Great information. kairos12 May 2020 #3
Thanks for this info. SaveOurDemocracy May 2020 #4
K & R.... dhill926 May 2020 #5
Thank you sorcrow May 2020 #6
I wondered about this. Thanks! octoberlib May 2020 #7
I'm convinced it's the surfaces spinbaby May 2020 #10
We always wipe down every plastic surface at our seats with sanitizer maxsolomon May 2020 #22
This cate94 May 2020 #28
I have 3 customers who are pilots & 1 who's a flight attendant. CaptainTruth May 2020 #29
I heard that the magazines in the seat pouch BigmanPigman May 2020 #46
Good idea. I notice Trump wore goggles at that mask factory. SunSeeker May 2020 #57
I did too. BigmanPigman May 2020 #70
According to the airlines, all planes are being sanitized between flights now. oldsoftie May 2020 #61
Thanks NT enough May 2020 #9
If the person 2 inches from you is infected Voltaire2 May 2020 #11
okie doke. then don't fly. stopdiggin May 2020 #41
I'm not. Nobody else should unless it is unavoidable. Voltaire2 May 2020 #44
Only ESSENTIAL flying...like for an emergency, BigmanPigman May 2020 #47
Cant remember when i've ever been TWO INCHES from anyone I wasnt being intimate with. oldsoftie May 2020 #62
so you never sat in steerage on a full plane? Voltaire2 May 2020 #68
The chances of catching this from an arm is very small. oldsoftie May 2020 #71
Actually it isn't. But we digress. Voltaire2 May 2020 #72
Well, its not exactly unsafe. I have a friend who's flown every week with no problems. oldsoftie May 2020 #73
Thanks! FM123 May 2020 #12
I've always thought the people were more hazardous than the airplanes. The Velveteen Ocelot May 2020 #13
I won't be flying ...will drive. Demsrule86 May 2020 #14
Very helpful matt819 May 2020 #15
My "teach an old dog new tricks" lesson of the day!... Guilded Lilly May 2020 #16
Feel free :) mn9driver May 2020 #26
my bf flew home this morning Marrah_Goodman May 2020 #17
United is not promising to leave middle seats empty mnhtnbb May 2020 #42
Ugh..... Marrah_Goodman May 2020 #43
Yes, this.... BigmanPigman May 2020 #48
+1 llmart May 2020 #66
marking for later rurallib May 2020 #18
If I may add to this.... Turbineguy May 2020 #19
True, no way to avoid it. mn9driver May 2020 #25
I have to drink, too. Not sure how I'll manage that rainin May 2020 #38
That's good to know IronLionZion May 2020 #20
Plus the flow of air through the cabin. wnylib May 2020 #58
K&R n/t Kitchari May 2020 #21
Thank you for sharing! May I tweet this to my followers? CaptainTruth May 2020 #23
Of course. Happy to see it shared. mn9driver May 2020 #24
Then there was that 5 hour flight one time where the guy two rows back sneezed Canoe52 May 2020 #27
Same happened to me! LittleGirl May 2020 #54
Thank you very much. I still think I'll stay home. Joinfortmill May 2020 #30
Similarly, I have about 20,000 hours piloting such aircraft .. DemoTex May 2020 #31
As an aside, are you old enough to remember... llmart May 2020 #67
beauty, thanks certainot May 2020 #32
787s do not use bleed air for circulation. plimsoll May 2020 #33
As a retired airline mechanic bluecollar2 May 2020 #34
Great post malaise May 2020 #35
From a long retired TWA driver, thank you. trof May 2020 #36
All well and good ... Jopin Klobe May 2020 #37
The long term is going to be higher fares & fewer passengers per flight. oldsoftie May 2020 #63
Tight fitting goggles, too. Eyes are a point of entry rainin May 2020 #39
Thank you! Warpy May 2020 #40
Thanks for sharing...this is so helpful...I've never known how it worked! Karadeniz May 2020 #45
Many hours on planes tiptonic May 2020 #49
Hazmat suits. McCamy Taylor May 2020 #50
Thank you for posting GeoWilliam750 May 2020 #51
Three years ago, I almost died of the flu GETPLANING May 2020 #52
Thanks for the accurte info for a change. I can't count the times I've had to explain that to napi21 May 2020 #53
ALL of my friends think that. I never knew the extent of the filtering myself. oldsoftie May 2020 #74
NBC infectious diseases MD expert in hospital now w/C19 - blames it on flying crowded plane to NOLA. Grasswire2 May 2020 #55
+1000 Dr. Joseph Fair on The 11th Hour from his hospital bed Niagara May 2020 #56
This message was self-deleted by its author clutterbox1830 May 2020 #59
NEVER knew that about the eyeball vents! I wouldve thought the opposite. oldsoftie May 2020 #60
Great info GreenEyedLefty May 2020 #64
Joseph Fair, virologist and epidemiologist, believes he got it through his eyes while on a flight. AnotherMother4Peace May 2020 #65
What a useful and nifty PSA! BobTheSubgenius May 2020 #69
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