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ancianita

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13. Each and every teacher in the CPS system is evaluated already...
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 07:36 PM
Sep 2012

But remember that personnel evaluations are considered confidential and not open to public scrutiny, as are the evaluations of everyone in this system. Talk to Board members -- or any corporation, for that matter -- about why that is.

Variations of this exist in each school due to what the principals deem appropriate for their community and student incoming skills levels and exit skill goals. Here's a broad brush look at the system used in the general high school I taught at for 25 out of my 34 years in the system. I had to accomplish these things, keep documentation of it all and be subjected to four administrative visits and two evaluation conferences each and every year.

1. Attendance -- 95% attendance gets a 'satisfactory' rating or better
2. Lesson plan submission -- 100% gets a 'satisfactory' rating or better
3. Availability of weekly plans for students and parents' constant use
4. Materials relevance and use in lessons -- including the use of technology and other 'auxiliary'materials
5. Classroom management
6. Attendance and grade record keeping
7. Learning climate classroom environment
8. Collegial work
9. Involvement in community/school activities
10. Involvement with students beyond the classroom

Principals, as Instructional Leaders of their schools, are THE legally responsible EVALUATORS, which must be documented and completed by the end of March each year. In most elementary schools that have populations under 800, a principal can evaluate the 50 or so faculty with a high degree of validity and reliability.

But at the high school level, in which populations number from 1200 to 3,000, a faculty of 100 or more -- which is about 40% of the 90 high schools -- the reliable and valid evaluation process can and does get compromised by the demands of the principals' job.

I constantly heard about how hard it was to evaluate 100 teachers by ten or more criteria. Yet, teachers EACH AND EVERY WEEK, AND EIGHT TIMES A YEAR, are expected to deliver valid and reliable evaluations in the form of homework, weekly test, half-point marking period tests and averages, and full marking period percentage-based grades without fail -- FOR THE OFFICIAL CPS STUDENT LOAD OF 180 STUDENTS. Or their evaluations go down, haha.

Now, if a teacher has a five-class, three preparation day, with a homeroom, lunch and preparation or duty period, which one of those times might that teacher provide peer evaluations of other colleagues? Nevermind the ongoing help they give to students who come for it during those periods.

Is anyone out here seeing the logistics problems associated with all this teacher input? Who should be qualified to evaluate a doctor? Other doctors? Non-doctors? Should all doctors get a pay cut or be eliminated from their professional associations because a few who are rated 'bad'?? Is that doctor objectively bad in all settings, or just in certain areas? Is s/he remediable? Is s/he deserving of a process that addresses that remediation?

Someone, anyone, come into a school, understand what degreed professionals accomplish with the demands made that just can be seen, nevermind the intangibles that they provide that no layman is even award of, and TELL ME WHAT MAKES A BAD TEACHER.

My last question is, why should the public NOT know that teachers are already evaluated? They must not have children in schools or schools in their communities, or pay much attention to either if they don't know these things. Yet it boggles my mind as a parent of two that other parents wouldn't even be aware of such things in the course of having been in school or had children there.

Finally, what the hell business is it to the rest of the country, anyway-- of which 70% DO NOT EVEN HAVE COLLEGE DEGREES -- that teachers should have to be the whipping boys of the professional class in America.

I could go on about the ramifications of the OP's question, but I'll just leave my answer as factual as my constitution will let me.

I'm not sure it's possible to have a "fair" evaluation system on something as complex .... Scuba Sep 2012 #1
Fair Evaluation Test students first day of class on your subject, and last day of class. vinny9698 Sep 2012 #48
Uh, have you ever actually attended school? Chorophyll Sep 2012 #49
How much progress? Same amount for kids in ghettos as kids in burbs? Scuba Sep 2012 #70
Yes, that's a big question. Ed. research usually shows learning always takes place HereSince1628 Sep 2012 #73
And how do we evaluate the progress? knitter4democracy Sep 2012 #76
Why don't we look to Finland, where they reformed their education system and now CTyankee Sep 2012 #2
I'm Finnish tama Sep 2012 #5
I think I read a US based article (linked below) abumbyanyothername Sep 2012 #21
Or everybody else, it seems. They are top earners internationally... CTyankee Sep 2012 #24
About 40 years ago tama Sep 2012 #39
Also, don't you pay your teachers like we do our doctors? Cleita Sep 2012 #25
Dunno tama Sep 2012 #41
The fact that you speak English better than a lot of Americans XemaSab Sep 2012 #60
Kiitos :) tama Sep 2012 #63
Good idea Telly Savalas Sep 2012 #22
Thanks for the link tama Sep 2012 #68
Evals are being used a weapons Courtesy Flush Sep 2012 #3
People don't believe this but it's completely true. Smarmie Doofus Sep 2012 #67
In all fairness, unless it's in the contract, there's nothing the union CAN do proud2BlibKansan Sep 2012 #75
I believe this to be true. No, I'm not a teacher. Scuba Sep 2012 #71
I wish a politician with no teaching experience would come in and tell me how to teach.... Pholus Sep 2012 #4
Student evaluations tama Sep 2012 #7
Spent too much time with the U.S. "students are customers" mentality to ever agree. Pholus Sep 2012 #8
Very perceptive tama Sep 2012 #10
No argument from me on this at all! nt Pholus Sep 2012 #56
Paulo Freire tama Sep 2012 #62
I'd say student evals should be considered, but probably not to the extent you're reacting to Posteritatis Sep 2012 #11
One of my first profs told me how he read his evals and his system works for me. Pholus Sep 2012 #55
Pay and promotions... tama Sep 2012 #74
Grievance history? femmocrat Sep 2012 #9
Bad phrasing, but administrative action for misconduct. Pholus Sep 2012 #54
OK.... a grievance is something a teacher files against the administration. femmocrat Sep 2012 #84
The teachers who work with them probably know best gollygee Sep 2012 #6
Each and every teacher in the CPS system is evaluated already... ancianita Sep 2012 #13
Well said. Iris Sep 2012 #45
Thank you for this exhaustive post. Chorophyll Sep 2012 #50
Your post should be required reading! nt Pholus Sep 2012 #58
Hear, hear! I agree entirely. knitter4democracy Sep 2012 #77
Isn't that a popularity contest? Honeycombe8 Sep 2012 #40
So you want to know how to get rid of teachers? proud2BlibKansan Sep 2012 #12
Good point on where the emphasis got placed, there Posteritatis Sep 2012 #18
The problem with our schools must be bad teachers. hay rick Sep 2012 #34
That. All of that. knitter4democracy Sep 2012 #78
It was like that when I started teaching. proud2BlibKansan Sep 2012 #80
Our principal has really changed his attitude this year. knitter4democracy Sep 2012 #81
I think the proposed one was a tenure-busting attempt, which is unacceptable to teachers. n/t porphyrian Sep 2012 #14
all school districts have evaluation systems ibegurpard Sep 2012 #15
You're exactly right. It's a vicious myth. ancianita Sep 2012 #16
how about leaving it up to the local school board? Hugabear Sep 2012 #17
exactly. ibegurpard Sep 2012 #19
Exactly right. A vicious lie. ancianita Sep 2012 #26
We should study school systems that produce better students than ours and mimic what they do. Comrade_McKenzie Sep 2012 #20
That would be with curriculum. And curriculum is the purview of---wait for it---ADMINISTRATORS. WinkyDink Sep 2012 #27
Curricula are already legally determined by the public of each state. ancianita Sep 2012 #29
CPS teachers have been hip to those schools and 'best practices' for years. ancianita Sep 2012 #28
Union members get the same salaries per step because of prior ADMIN ABUSE. GET IT? WinkyDink Sep 2012 #23
I am not involved in education but here's my .02 abumbyanyothername Sep 2012 #30
Tenure/seniority should count for a significant part too. nt abumbyanyothername Sep 2012 #31
If this issue is important to you ibegurpard Sep 2012 #32
It sounds good, but logistically, it can't be done. ancianita Sep 2012 #33
Fair enough. abumbyanyothername Sep 2012 #37
One reason for relatively poor American academic performance Bluefin Tuna Sep 2012 #35
I agree. senseandsensibility Sep 2012 #47
I think so, too. And the failing of parents to instill these things and foster Honeycombe8 Sep 2012 #53
Would we get anywhere with basic competency tests and jsmirman Sep 2012 #36
Okay, this is the paragraph that you can't get the CPS board to agree with. ancianita Sep 2012 #38
That is fucking maddening jsmirman Sep 2012 #44
Authentic whole-person evaluation portfolios derived from authentic whole-person patrice Sep 2012 #42
as a career educator I can tell you that we STILL wrestle with that question.... mike_c Sep 2012 #43
I love your response. senseandsensibility Sep 2012 #46
as do I ibegurpard Sep 2012 #52
Great post. I wish I could rec it. nt Chorophyll Sep 2012 #51
This makes sense to me. Except I would add one caveat, which is that the family Honeycombe8 Sep 2012 #57
right and what kind of teacher evaluation system is going to address failure with that kind of kid? ibegurpard Sep 2012 #59
I think that as a liberal abumbyanyothername Sep 2012 #64
who the hell is advocating tossing kids aside??? ibegurpard Sep 2012 #65
Well, you sounded like you were resigned to the fact that some kids don't have the support at home. abumbyanyothername Sep 2012 #66
It's okay to have an opinion. Honeycombe8 Sep 2012 #72
+1. I agree ecstatic Sep 2012 #88
I agree with caveats XemaSab Sep 2012 #61
Phase out the admins and bring in the parents. Smarmie Doofus Sep 2012 #69
Oh, goodness, no. knitter4democracy Sep 2012 #79
If ya got good admins... turnover is bad. Smarmie Doofus Sep 2012 #85
No. They want grades. knitter4democracy Sep 2012 #87
That's what I was thinking, too. Honeycombe8 Sep 2012 #86
There isn't one. JoeyT Sep 2012 #82
I'm not an educator... so I don't know. Courtesy Flush Sep 2012 #83
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