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Steelrolled

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30. Everyone has to make their own decisions

Reply to uponit7771 (Reply #24)

Wed Jul 1, 2020, 09:06 AM

Jul 2020

of risks in life. As a civilization we can't move forward without it.

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FDA will require a covid-19 vaccine be at least 50 percent more effective than a placebo [View all] Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2020 OP

horrible headline. msn editor needs to go back to math class. unblock Jun 2020 #1

What has it been in recent annual flu shots does anyone know ? I wonder if the vaccine also lunasun Jun 2020 #2

A few nights ago on CNN with Elizabeth Cohen, Dr. Fauci said, marie999 Jun 2020 #3

Looking at the history of plague vaccines I will not be the first to take one. This is crazy, one.. uponit7771 Jun 2020 #5

Holy crap, history really is repeating itself! Initech Jun 2020 #7

Yes, that "dip" was high NPI the "second wave" was a vaccine that was great at fighting bacteria fro uponit7771 Jul 2020 #23

I am waiting for the full list of centers for the Moderna vaccine trials Steelrolled Jun 2020 #19

Be careful, the last 3 plague vaccines either paralyzed people (link) or were useless and caused ... uponit7771 Jul 2020 #24

Everyone has to make their own decisions Steelrolled Jul 2020 #30

What exactly is 50% more than nothing? world wide wally Jun 2020 #4

The placebo effect is not nothing. Voltaire2 Jun 2020 #6

Last I checked, zero divided by zero is still zero. Initech Jun 2020 #8

The placebo effect is non-zero. n/t Ms. Toad Jun 2020 #10

I think it is more significant in trials for drugs Steelrolled Jun 2020 #20

Nope. It is pervasive. Voltaire2 Jul 2020 #26

The placebo group often receives another vaccine DrToast Jul 2020 #29

You compare disease in those vaccinated to those non-vaccinated (placebo) DrToast Jun 2020 #17

Placebo is not non-vaccinated. Voltaire2 Jul 2020 #27

If you don't receive a vaccine, you are non-vaccinated DrToast Jul 2020 #28

Except that a significant response will be detected from the placebo group Voltaire2 Jul 2020 #31

That's interesting. Thanks for sharing. ecstatic Jul 2020 #34

Why are you trying to argue points I'm not making DrToast Jul 2020 #38

You appeared to be supporting the claim originally made that placebo has zero effect. Voltaire2 Jul 2020 #39

Halfway there. Ms. Toad Jun 2020 #9

The chatter of symptom reduction vaccines was worrisome. herding cats Jun 2020 #11

For something that has pretty standard symptoms, Ms. Toad Jun 2020 #12

All true about the far too varied symptoms and asymptote cases. herding cats Jun 2020 #13

Wouldn't that be factored out in the statistics? Steelrolled Jun 2020 #21

There are so many variations, Ms. Toad Jul 2020 #22

I'm not sure either, it would depend on the size of the Steelrolled Jul 2020 #32

This disease is unlike any other science has encountered before, Ms. Toad Jul 2020 #40

It's not hard to discern it DrToast Jun 2020 #14

If you are happy with that standard, have at it. Ms. Toad Jun 2020 #15

You'd rather get the full blown disease? DrToast Jun 2020 #16

No, but the risk of a new vaccine - potentially created to employ different strategies Ms. Toad Jun 2020 #18

+1, the uselessness of the 1918 Kansas flu "vaccine" is part of the cause of the uptick or uponit7771 Jul 2020 #25

Medicine has advanced a little since 1918. Steelrolled Jul 2020 #33

We still don't have a vaccine for aides or the cold but we have a vaccine for corona virus all of uponit7771 Jul 2020 #35

Don't blame you. Steelrolled Jul 2020 #36

I found a useful source for vaccine trial information written for the general public. Steelrolled Jul 2020 #37